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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg

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so neighbors on the last episode of the

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para cast we heard from Chris and then

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we didn't because he was on the road and

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wasn't able to get a consistent

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connection what happened Chris these are

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the problems with the cell phone system

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the best again couldn't even understand

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half of what would be sure if you heard

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the final broadcast you'll know that

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Nancy Taub had got a little testy with

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us yeah she did not a good time let's

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give the background here so for example

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on the previous episode with Nancy the

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first one she spent a lot of time

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setting up the episode in the sense of

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the material she wanted to cover she

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sent me a long letter and Chris showing

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the various crop circle cases she wanted

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to talk about and the evidence I know

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Chris you had a conversation of about an

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hour or more with her about this mm-hmm

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I did yeah and we agreed that that we

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should really concentrate on the

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diagnostic work so that VLT research had

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been involved with for 20 years now and

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and hold the Robert scenario to the very

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end and talk about that strange kind of

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whitest powder that she claimed was

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rather anomalous and found you know

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within some of these strange events crop

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circle sites and the burn mark on the

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porch I think was the first one that you

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mentioned that left behind this material

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halfway through the episode there's

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Robert the rest of the episode all she

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talk about is Robert in other words she

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changed the plan yeah she wanted the

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stage managed the episode in the sense

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of what we were going

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to discuss and I have no problem with

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that you know if a gas familiar with the

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subject wants to focus on certain areas

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okay we'll do that doesn't mean we'll

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ask the questions they want us to ask

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but we'll do our best to focus on the

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areas that we plan to discuss for

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everybody's in light note halfway into

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the episode she's on Robert so I said

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you know what if we're gonna talk about

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Robert let's get him on the show she's

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been talking about Robert incessant Oh

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do a host show with Robert what you wish

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for ah well what happened here is I

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guess she tried to stage manage that a

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little bit - yeah so for example every

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so often should interrupt me you know

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maybe that's not what we plan to talk

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about well the only plan we had was to

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ask him questions and if he had problems

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understanding the question or he

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couldn't explain everything in detail

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because of the language problem she

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would help yeah didn't work out that way

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I haven't even had a chance Billie Jean

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to sit down and really closely listen to

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the show but based on the comments that

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erupted on and on the forum I don't

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think very many people were impressed

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doesn't sound like the show went over

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too well with our forum posters but but

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you generated a lot of lot of debate a

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lot of posts that's for sure well one of

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the things here of course is the first

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objection they had was the obvious

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attempts of Nancy to stage-managed the

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show that didn't give her brownie points

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at all they didn't like that you know

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they want obviously I wouldn't accept it

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you know she tried to move the

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conversation one way I would move it in

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the area that I'm going to move it

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because you know I'm the host or the

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co-host it's our show it's not her show

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and we will ask what we're going to ask

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I mean if we agree to do something we'll

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do it but we didn't agree to let her

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stage manage that show and then for

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example at one point where she was

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saying we'll just check the site for the

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evidence and I said no you need to

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explain it because people don't have

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time to check every reference they want

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to hear everything on the show not read

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the book go to the site next quite

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and during one of the segments where we

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had that little tussle between that

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segment and the next she's starting to

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say that our listeners are stupid that's

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going too far

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wow I missed that part well I'm sure I'm

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actually kind of glad I did because I

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was launched on them because we have

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arguably the some of the smarter

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listeners in this whole realm out there

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and I would really take exception to

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that comment I also by the way and I

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told you this Bo explained to her

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listeners after the show is over I send

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a very friendly letter to Nancy saying

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you know what your site would look more

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credible if some of the more

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questionable pieces of evidence about

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Robert van den Broek were taken out what

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we're talking about here is they've got

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these alleged spirit photos where you

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have a picture of some figures showing

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up in a picture of her room she says the

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room was empty there was nobody there

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but if you look at the picture it looks

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like a cutout like a paper doll cut out

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from a magazine or something and if you

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look at the picture it looks like the

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cutout or image is much sharper than the

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marum around it okay and obviously what

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happens if you dangle a tiny picture in

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front of a camera's lens more than

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likely it will have a sharper focus than

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the stuff behind it which is many feet

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away this is what it looks like okay

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that's one of the problems

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another problem is this photo called mud

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man or several photos and we're seeing

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for example that Reader's Digest

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magazine had these Mudman photos

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pictures of this mug man and suddenly

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they end up in these allege spirit photo

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spirit photos I mean that he takes a

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digital camera holds the digital camera

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and suddenly you photograph a blank room

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or a field and something shows up that

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supposedly wasn't fair but in this case

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her argument is if you take those images

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and you look at the originals and you

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try to align with two images she talked

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about this on our April 22nd episode in

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detail they don't line up perfectly the

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registration is off she doesn't

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understand that in Photoshop

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you can tilt the image you can blur it

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sharpen it large it reduce it it's clay

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you can take it on the pixel level the

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tiniest pieces of data in that picture

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and do whatever you want with it it

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doesn't have to match a hundred percent

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Photoshop is not a photocopying machine

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it's an image editing program she

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doesn't understand yes well I don't

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understand how the guy is doing this

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there's account after account after

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account and witnesses right there with

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him and he's able to pull this off and

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when I posted on the the forums that I

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thought that the case you know had a

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trick to his quality to it so I there I

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went Jean I used that word again I I

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really do feel that you know some

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independent investigation should be done

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with the guide to verify once and for

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all whether this is an elaborate well

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pulled off hoax or a series of hoaxes or

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whether there is something real behind

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it I think the fact that the pictures

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look so primitive and the results of

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these supposed photographic anomalies

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are so suspect looking that that kind of

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tells me number one if it's not a hoax

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and why is it being presented these

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photos being presented by whatever force

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is allegedly doing this why why is it

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being presented so pretty in such a

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primitive fashion yeah I I just find

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that very intriguing and I really think

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that an answer should step back from the

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case it's my personal opinion she's to

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enfranchise in the case she has become a

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part of the case she's claiming that

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that things were happening around her or

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when that happens I think it's really

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important for any investigator to take a

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step back bring in other independent

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people which she has attempted to do

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from time to time but she keeps being

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pulled back in and she's becoming an

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apologist and like he said a stage

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manager of this very interesting guy and

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I think in just in the the sense of

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doing good investigative work that she

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should not be so closely tied to it and

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she should bring in people to verify

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these results we have the situation here

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where

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I try to impress upon Nancy that

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speaking of somebody who's working the

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graphics arts business for many many

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years longer than many people have been

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alive I know something of this stuff and

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these photos don't pass muster you've

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got to try concentrate on other stuff

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and boy you talk about being defensive

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yeah yeah it's unfortunate and I think

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that that you know bears out what I was

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saying before about becoming too you

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know too attached to the whole situation

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and I'm you know allowing yourself to

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take a step back and be more objective

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about it we're going to take a step back

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for a second here in more discussion

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like this with Gene and Chris you're in

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Cris is on location this week again but

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fortunately he's at a place where the

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quality of the audio is better and he's

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not driving among mountaintops hanging

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up there on the side of ledges is that

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what was happening yeah yeah was went

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through a storm systems started to think

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that maybe it was like Tom Cruise and

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those Mission Impossible movies where

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he's hanging from the top of tall

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buildings or mountain tops and jumping

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and leaping but right now we're talking

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about another kind of leaping the

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leaping of the logic the leaping of the

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logic of Nancy Talbert and I don't want

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to just insult her or anything I don't

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think that's fair we're trying know I

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like Nancy I think that she's doing an

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admirable job as a layman trying to

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explain to the public the kind of

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scientific work that BLT research has

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been doing and I don't care what some of

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the detractors on the forum say they

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have been doing good scientific work on

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the classical phenomenon and they did a

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cattle mutilation study and they've done

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other studies you can't throw the baby

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out with the bathwater if if one of

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their investigations that may have have

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put into questions the work I don't

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think you should discount the entire

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body of work basically the philosophy

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being here the long and short of it

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Chris is that if a person makes a

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mistake in their research does that mean

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that everything they do has to be thrown

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out because in that case no researcher

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will ever pass muster and should we

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throw out the entire UFO mystery because

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95% of all the things reported are

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conventional in some way or of small

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proportion hoaxes I think what our

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listeners are talking about here in

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their forums is that in one particular

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instance Nancy reported about some

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anomalous substance in connection with a

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crop circle that was later shown to be a

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fake that the people who faked it

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confessed and therefore if she made a

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mistake there well maybe everything

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she's done through

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our entire life should be suspect I

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don't think that's fair but I would

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point out that after I tried to have

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this exchange with Nancy she said don't

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write me anymore really after you sent

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the follow-up letter I tried a couple of

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follow ups and the basic thing is I had

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my experts you don't know anything how

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dare you the people just need to look at

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our evidence if you don't believe it I

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don't care basically I don't want to

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hear the truth you know I'm trying to

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help her I was trying to say look we're

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not trying to denigrate all your work

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but this particular evidence about

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Robert venden broke it doesn't pass

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muster there are other explanations we

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look at for example one thing that we

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disclosed on the show it's not something

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unknown number of people in our forums

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have realized this that these days

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Robert has a close friend named Stan a

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former Mentalist and also computer girl

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now Amanda list is somebody who will go

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on a stage and do what is called a cold

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reading pretend to read your personality

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read your mind and know things about you

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and the reason they call cold reading is

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because the person has a good sense of

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voice inflection body language etc also

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apparently they do their research so for

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example someone writes in the allegation

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is that look at that person's profile on

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Google and come up with the information

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and one of the alleged expose A's has it

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that one of the errors in an online

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profile or information about somebody

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ended up in one of Roberts readings

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which would reveal the source you never

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did get a chance to talk about that

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either did you I thought about it but

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that's a very complicated thing to

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explain Robert has at best an average

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were somewhat below average grasp of the

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language and to explain you do an online

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search you see some of these personality

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I thought getting into that would be

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complicated and all he has to say is no

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I didn't do it that way it's a

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coincidence or something like that and

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maybe once is a coincidence if it

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happened four or five times I would

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think there's a trend I just didn't

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think with one particular case it was

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enough I just think that the revelation

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that he's working with his guy named

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stan is enough to say well this guy can

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allow him to fake things yeah that

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wasn't a smart move to bring him on the

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air I think that was rather ill-advised

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of them because now the cats out of the

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bag just because Robert isn't a computer

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expert his best friend and his best

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friend is also as you pointed out you

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know a Mentalist he has a background in

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in fooling people in in creating

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scenarios that seem high strange but

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there's an explanation behind them so

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that I thought that that was that was

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not a well-advised on their part to

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bring him on

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or to acknowledge that he was even there

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good catch surging thank you we lucked

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into it because he was sneezing in the

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background maybe he wanted to be caught

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but here's the thing to bear in mind now

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Nancy's argument will be that you hand

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Robert this camera and he shoots a

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picture and some unknown image shows up

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but yeah you know there's sleight of

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hand

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there's a misdirection because you know

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people will remember well we have a

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couple of our listeners by the way who

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live in Europe have offered but I think

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somebody who knows sleight of hand knows

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the tricks and one of the tricks of the

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magician and I'm not a professional

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magician but one of the tricks is

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misdirection it is focus someone's

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attention on something else while you're

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pulling this stunt

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so maybe Nancy remembers handing in the

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camera and suddenly takes the picture

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but maybe Stan is doing something on the

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other end of the room and Robert is

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putting the cutout in front of the

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picture he's saying oh look what

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happened over there you know looks like

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it's gonna rain look up in the sky or

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something you see the moon the stars

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whatever misdirection and normally

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people aren't going to remember that

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they're going to remember handing him

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the camera having him shoot the picture

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how could have you've done that mr.

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Elgin I think we really you know it's

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impossible for us to determine in

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hindsight exactly what happened but but

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it does it does make sense if there is

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I'm sort of sleight of hand some sort of

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misdirection going on

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if these photographs indeed are hoax

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again I think we need an independent

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verification of this case I think it

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should be

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with people who are aware of how these

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things can be can be faked and if they

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really want to be taken seriously I

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think that that's the only way that this

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whole thing should proceed and you know

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I've been wondering Jean over the years

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where some of these photographs of have

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leaked out what is the motivation behind

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some sort of force or entity to have

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some of these silly images or Nazi

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soldiers or you know little look like

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Roy Harry Hassan the claymation even if

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this stuff is real and it's happening

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why is it happening and what does it

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mean it to me it's nonsensical there's

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no it's it's like foolish to use the

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treacherous term it doesn't it doesn't

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make sense to me the other possibility

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raised of courses that maybe early on

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Robert had some real experiences and

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then got his 15 minutes of fame and

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maybe fabricated some like he said you

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know Billy Meyer speaking of ghost-like

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images though that's where we're going

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to talk about this week we've got Mark

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Phillips he's producer of her TV show on

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biography channel on the US called my

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ghost stories what she tells me is

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getting really record ratings now this

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is of course a reality show about ghost

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stories and obviously we're going to ask

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Kim questions you know about how do you

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know some of the things that are

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happening are real or Memorex and we

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have live questions from our listeners

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live interests in this episode the show

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again is called my ghost story and here

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in the USA of course if you have cable

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or satellite television you can see my

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ghost story on the biography channel the

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producer Mark Phillips joining gene and

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Chris on the next segment you're in the

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paragraph

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are you tired of searching for great

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overall we are the GCM radio network Rey

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Perkins a reclusive betterment burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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relentless perplexing nightmares

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nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

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space and of a mysterious woman

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suffering an agony for her devastated

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world a woman not yet born calling

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across centuries to him then a

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coincidence leads him to his destiny his

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chance to alter the universe attack of

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the rocks the former fiction editor for

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Star Wars and Indiana Jones Robert

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Simpson writes the soul of the novel

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attack of the Rockies

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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we're joined by Mark Phillips C's

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producer of a TV show called my ghost

633
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story for biography channel mark welcome

634
00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:23,860
to the power cast thanks for having me

635
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appreciate it

636
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so mark let's get our listeners

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acquainted with who you are and what

638
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you're about how did you get started in

639
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producing a show about paranormal events

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well I've been interested in it for a

641
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long time and I don't know if you

642
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remember a paranormal investigator by

643
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the name of Peter James it's very famous

644
00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:47,560
or famous guy passed away from cancer

645
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about six seven years ago and somebody

646
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introduced him to me

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God it must have been twenty years ago

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and he he took me on a private tour of

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the Queen Mary he took me way down into

650
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the bowels of the Queen Mary where the

651
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morgue was in the swimming pool and it

652
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:04,450
was totally amazing it it was freaky the

653
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stuff that I experienced he and I

654
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knocked around a few ideas and you know

655
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this and that and but I always got

656
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involved in other shows and sort of put

657
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it to the side now I want to ask you

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before we go on what kind of freaky

659
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stuff can give us kind of an overview

660
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,300
hot and cold catches of air weird

661
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bizarre smells banging on the side of

662
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the ship it's if it came from nowhere

663
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stuff like that so you're not just a

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hired hand who they needed somebody do a

665
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paranormal show they said mark here's a

666
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good gig for you this is something

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you've had a real interest in yeah but

668
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I'm not a hired hand I in fact I'll tell

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you a story sure the last shows that I

670
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was involved in as a hired hand who was

671
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ghost hunters I actually was two

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co-executive producer the first two

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hours I helped invent how that thing

674
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looked and I was fired and I you know I

675
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mean I moved on I got my own show and at

676
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that point I said no more hired hand

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I only produce shows when I can when my

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company can produce them

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so I don't get caught up into politics

680
00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:14,170
this show came about in 2008 I had done

681
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:18,430
a very intense project for it was a

682
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special it's supposed to be a theory

683
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that ended up just as a special for

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Court TV which has become truTV called

685
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inside Predator

686
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for us and it was basically a sex crimes

687
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task force and we arrested 15 guys and

688
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it was just an amazing show and it got

689
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amazing numbers and somebody at A&E saw

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it and they got a hold of me and said

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gee that's really this is the booster

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coat gee that's really good sticky

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television is there something you'd like

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to do for us and I I said well I I

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wouldn't mind doing another cop show and

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and they did by a project a cop project

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harmony and I also told them about a

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show that I was thinking about called

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and I called it hauntings revealed and

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basically I described it as you know

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there are lot of people out there who

702
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have had these amazing paranormal

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experiences and they've actually

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captured them on tape or Polaroids or

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you know taking pictures of stuff and

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they said oh that sounds interesting so

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I sent them a real with some materials

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that I'd found and they circled around

709
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it for a while and then passed and then

710
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in August of 2008 they called me and

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said can you do that show that that

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paranormal show we want to call it my

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ghost story and I said sure and they

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said but you have to deliver it by

715
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Halloween which was a practically

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impossible task to do a really good our

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television and only have you know

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basically a month and a half to do it oh

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man but I because it was the end of

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August when they called so they did what

721
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:02,169
they described to me was brilliant

722
00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:05,890
because the A&E is really the the

723
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rolls-royce of cable networks this

724
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:11,830
particular exec said to be think of it

725
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:14,770
as this a bunch of people sitting around

726
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:18,010
a campfire telling ghost stories and

727
00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:20,590
then showing their evidence and I went

728
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:23,320
oh yeah okay I get it

729
00:31:28,049 --> 00:31:26,590
I totally get it it's basically what I

730
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:28,059
wanted to do but you know just their

731
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:31,750
take on it was so branded and they said

732
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:34,510
and make it look like I survived which

733
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is us if you watch bio it's on Sunday

734
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:38,200
nights it's quite a bit quite a

735
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compelling show but visually

736
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:43,930
a bit dull so I followed the model that

737
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they wanted and I delivered in time the

738
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stories that I delivered and we're kind

739
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of low hanging fruit they are easy to

740
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get and but that even as I was

741
00:31:59,730 --> 00:31:55,990
delivering it I didn't like it because

742
00:32:02,220 --> 00:31:59,740
it didn't have a great look to it the

743
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:02,230
kind of look that that I try to bring to

744
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:04,420
a television show and you explain here's

745
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:06,700
what you mean by a great look so they

746
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:08,770
understand well it was it was flat it

747
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:11,080
was the story tellers were all shot

748
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:15,370
against in black limbo and the the way

749
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:18,940
that the evidence was introduced and the

750
00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:21,520
way the b-roll was shot it was just all

751
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,280
done very quickly and just I didn't have

752
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:27,670
time to polish it so we delivered it

753
00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:32,320
they ran it a Halloween 2008 and they

754
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:34,660
got a great number but the head of the

755
00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:37,600
network said you know what it may be a

756
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:39,640
good number of it the show doesn't look

757
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:43,120
very good so the exec who was who who

758
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:44,830
oversaw it on my behalf

759
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:46,600
sort of got on bended knee and said

760
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:48,400
listen mark delivered it waiting fast

761
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:51,520
and I he's given me a plan and what he

762
00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:53,190
wants to really make it look like and

763
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:55,420
let's give him another special so they

764
00:32:59,250 --> 00:32:57,220
did they gave me another special and and

765
00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:59,260
and in terms of the look I knocked it

766
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:01,030
out of the park because I cuz I had it

767
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:03,160
will figure it out perfectly and by the

768
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:04,390
way I can't take all the credit myself

769
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:07,180
had to give some credit to my co EP here

770
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,310
fella by the name Judy Ireland who

771
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:12,640
really helped me hone the look and who

772
00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:14,470
he's a former editor so he really gets

773
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:17,020
it and so we delivered the second one

774
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:19,480
again it got great ratings and the

775
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:21,430
network was thrilled with what it looked

776
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:24,370
like and we've got on from there and

777
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:27,400
they had you know ordering series and

778
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,280
more series and away I go it should be

779
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:32,080
noted where I got a call from the

780
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:35,980
network telling me that last Saturday's

781
00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:41,860
episodes at which ran here at 7 & 8 and

782
00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:47,620
in the East Coast at 9 and 10 performed

783
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:51,160
the highest ratings in the history in

784
00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:54,010
that time slot in the history of

785
00:33:59,250 --> 00:33:57,400
Wow which is pretty amazing are you able

786
00:34:01,500 --> 00:33:59,260
to give us some numbers as to what one

787
00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:01,510
expects to be the audience of a show

788
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:04,300
like this on Saturday night north of

789
00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:07,030
600,000 homes okay so we're talking

790
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:08,919
about something is truly a marvelous

791
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:10,570
number for bio on us on a Saturday night

792
00:34:13,649 --> 00:34:12,340
well it's really a marvelous number on

793
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,659
Saturday night you know Saturday night

794
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:16,960
is on commercial TV irregular TV

795
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:19,210
networks you know very lucky on the

796
00:34:22,919 --> 00:34:20,889
biggest shows to get one or two million

797
00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:22,929
sometimes yeah I know so that is a

798
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:24,669
pretty high number so people have to put

799
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,050
that in perspective we're talking about

800
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:29,440
people choosing amongst the 400,000

801
00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:32,310
cable shows they've got to see your show

802
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:34,389
I've told you a million times don't

803
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:35,080
exaggerate

804
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:37,690
well maybe 500,000 times you told me

805
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,300
that believe it but one of the things we

806
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:42,399
wanted that to into before we talk about

807
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:44,530
case histories and answer questions from

808
00:34:49,649 --> 00:34:48,070
our listeners is in creating the kind of

809
00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:49,659
look of this show which we understand

810
00:34:54,379 --> 00:34:51,159
has to look good it's not just the

811
00:34:56,970 --> 00:34:54,389
content right but with a reality show

812
00:35:00,510 --> 00:34:56,980
you've got an hour or something like

813
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:00,520
that to present this what do you

814
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sacrifice and compressing the time to

815
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:06,070
fit a TV show I don't think we sacrifice

816
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anything I mean we we tell five stories

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in an hour we used to tell six and that

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first episode that I told you about

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there were actually eight stories in it

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which was one of the problems because ya

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couldn't explore the you couldn't

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explore it deep enough and even six but

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also in that first episode we had way

824
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too many storytellers sometimes on one

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story and it's a great story out of

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Oklahoma City we had four storytellers

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it's just confusing heads we never have

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more than two storytellers a story

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otherwise it's kind of a situation where

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the cameras cutting back and forth and

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gets everything to be very confusing

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exactly yeah and I don't know anything

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about that because I produce radio not

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TV and believe me it's the same thing I

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mean you know doing a roundtable on

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say it's impossible right to do around

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it to do a roundtable yeah you're

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it's hard enough fun with all let's take

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with Dean and Chris here in the para

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cast Mark Phillips joining us

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he's producer of my ghost story and

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we're talking about the background of

968
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the show you know how they put the

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things together how it came to be and he

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was telling us on a previous segment

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that this has become a major major show

972
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for biography channel in terms of the

973
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number of people listen to it before we

974
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go into the way you assemble the

975
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episodes what is there about ghost

976
00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:40,920
stories that attracts people so much

977
00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:46,099
well I think that the number is 70% of

978
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:50,849
folks out there in America believe not

979
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:52,380
necessarily in ghosts but that there's

980
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something else going on in our lives and

981
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,059
so people are fascinated by it and I

982
00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:02,579
wouldn't doubt that skeptics kind of

983
00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:04,589
like to watch it as well because I'd

984
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:06,630
like to make fun of it I mean I was told

985
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a sci-fi I was at a pitch at Syfy and

986
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,210
and I was told that the majority of the

987
00:42:16,789 --> 00:42:15,660
audience of Ghost Hunters is are people

988
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:16,799
who like to make fun of it which is

989
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:23,040
hilarious well actually a really good

990
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:27,150
show it really has evolved it's it's

991
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:28,380
tough having to come up with new

992
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:31,260
exciting goosebump producing stuff week

993
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:34,920
after week yeah it is now that's the

994
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:37,109
next question to ask of course is how do

995
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,450
you get your material do you look at

996
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,700
published reports of stories do people

997
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:44,160
contact you and say hey this happened to

998
00:42:48,289 --> 00:42:45,990
me when I was a kid I need to tell you

999
00:42:50,299 --> 00:42:48,299
about this yeah well we have researchers

1000
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:50,309
who are out there and exploring the

1001
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:53,690
Internet with various search tools

1002
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:58,500
finding stories and then there are I

1003
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:00,630
think we have a database of something

1004
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,730
like 16 or 1700 ghost hunter or you know

1005
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,440
ghost investigation paranormal

1006
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:09,599
investigation groups that we that we

1007
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:15,690
reach out to and we also have a lot of

1008
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:18,060
really good stories submitted to us

1009
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:22,230
through the bio website so any of your

1010
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:24,870
listeners can go to the bio website and

1011
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:27,840
and submit a story or they can submit it

1012
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:31,110
to us directly don't mind I'll give you

1013
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:34,530
the email address you go to it's my

1014
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:40,230
ghost story at M PPT TV and again my

1015
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:46,680
ghost story at M PPT dot TV okay all

1016
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right

1017
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,080
TV yeah okay okay but I guess the

1018
00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:54,420
biggest question first of all is all

1019
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,860
right you're getting all these stories

1020
00:44:00,020 --> 00:43:58,560
how do you vet them how do you separate

1021
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:00,030
the stuff from people who say you know

1022
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:01,830
what I have this story but it's really

1023
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:03,210
something they made up or maybe

1024
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:05,490
something that a parent told them and

1025
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:07,350
they're just telling stories how do you

1026
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:09,890
separate the wheat from the chaff well

1027
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:13,440
you gotta remember on our show a story

1028
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:16,860
is only a story when this storyteller

1029
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:20,670
has some evidence so the first thing we

1030
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:22,710
want to know is you know what's the

1031
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:24,930
evidence and then our researchers get

1032
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:27,180
into it and they find you know we we

1033
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,390
talk to the people we have them either

1034
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:33,540
send us some tape on themselves or we

1035
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:38,160
interviewed them over Skype and and you

1036
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:40,470
know you my producers have a good eye

1037
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:43,710
for who they think is a good storyteller

1038
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:46,470
and who they may think is making

1039
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,690
something up if there aren't a lot of

1040
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:50,640
people out there making stuff up we have

1041
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,540
had a couple of instances and then there

1042
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,280
are other elements that fall into place

1043
00:45:02,180 --> 00:44:58,200
in the story in terms of what these

1044
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:02,190
people's personal background is you know

1045
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:03,450
what happened to their mother father

1046
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:06,570
sister brother because sometimes that's

1047
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:09,240
what has triggered this event in their

1048
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:12,660
lives or that there's some kind of

1049
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:15,690
historical significance to the place

1050
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:19,770
where this where this event took place

1051
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:22,830
and there's a lot of that out there and

1052
00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:24,510
it that's really really fascinating

1053
00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:27,030
stuff I really I really love that the

1054
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:30,750
best stories in in my mind are come from

1055
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:32,010
just regular

1056
00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:35,190
everyday folk who have had this

1057
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,600
experience and sometimes they don't they

1058
00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:41,880
don't realize the significance of it

1059
00:45:47,090 --> 00:45:43,580
until it happens over and over again and

1060
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:47,100
they ask an investigator to look into it

1061
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:49,020
the investigator comes in looks into it

1062
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:53,220
and ends up recording you bizarre images

1063
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:00,119
and and recording sounds and and then a

1064
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,560
light goes off in their head Wow

1065
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:04,380
so when we tell that story we have the

1066
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:06,930
original person who who uncovered the

1067
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,440
event and then have a an investigator be

1068
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,020
the second storyteller I just so love it

1069
00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:18,900
when both storytellers are just regular

1070
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,869
old folk it really comes across have you

1071
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,460
ever had a situation here where you ran

1072
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,960
something on the show and then you

1073
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:26,640
learned maybe a week a month a year

1074
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,790
later wait a minute you know this wasn't

1075
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:32,640
real was it you know what we haven't had

1076
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:36,750
that we had not we have had some

1077
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,000
situations where we got into the story

1078
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:42,900
and even recorded something about the

1079
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:44,460
story and then said hey you know what

1080
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:47,460
this is hinky and we just and we just

1081
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:48,000
drop it

1082
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:51,300
yeah yeah yeah we've had that we've had

1083
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:53,700
that a few times and it becomes patently

1084
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:55,859
obvious once you've done so many of

1085
00:46:59,060 --> 00:46:57,390
these stories is we have it becomes

1086
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,070
patently obvious why they're doing it

1087
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:01,560
they're trying to promote either their

1088
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:04,320
group their group or they're trying to

1089
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:08,520
promote a particular place that they own

1090
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:11,609
and that they want to people to come to

1091
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:15,020
because it's sexier because it's haunted

1092
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:18,660
so it become this it becomes obvious to

1093
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:21,420
us yeah I found that too I've been a

1094
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:25,020
longtime field investigator and since

1095
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:28,260
about 2004 I've been doing credit number

1096
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:31,170
upon insight investigations and it's

1097
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:33,810
it's pretty apparent when you know as an

1098
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,270
en owner or borrower or maybe a hotel

1099
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:38,400
owned a restaurant owner is trying to

1100
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,160
drum up business for a place and loses

1101
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:43,740
the old well it's haunted you know using

1102
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:45,450
that adage and

1103
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:47,670
I have run into that it's it's you would

1104
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:50,130
think you'd run into it more but but you

1105
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:53,490
know you just hit a head you just hit a

1106
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,079
head with the hammer there because

1107
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:56,880
that's exactly the kind of places that

1108
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
I'm talking about yeah yeah and I would

1109
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:02,400
suspect that you would find more of this

1110
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:04,859
type of self promotion or place

1111
00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:06,930
promotion but I've been fortunate at

1112
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:08,550
least with the groups that I've worked

1113
00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:13,010
with and and in associates their work

1114
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:15,270
it's not as prevalent as you would think

1115
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:19,530
but it is out there and of course a as

1116
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:21,450
you're probably aware there are many

1117
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:26,660
many Inns and taverns and bars that

1118
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:29,160
there has been paranormal activity

1119
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:31,050
actors a book of a thousand-page book

1120
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:35,220
called called bottles of booze as a bo

1121
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,430
OS there's just thousands of places that

1122
00:48:43,099 --> 00:48:41,280
claim to be haunted yeah yeah especially

1123
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,109
if you go over to Europe or in England

1124
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,780
which we are doing by the way you know

1125
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,000
your audience your audience may want to

1126
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:50,000
know that we were starting to do

1127
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:54,180
international episodes actually

1128
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,089
international stories that will be

1129
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,619
featured in in the episodes in fact we

1130
00:49:03,140 --> 00:48:59,940
just are we did our first one with

1131
00:49:05,059 --> 00:49:03,150
family from from England and there's

1132
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,069
some fascinating stories in England and

1133
00:49:10,819 --> 00:49:07,140
Ireland Scotland Wales woods we're doing

1134
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,829
another one in Australia Wow hey but

1135
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,000
also looking a little bigger than uh

1136
00:49:17,319 --> 00:49:15,240
yeah and also a few in Canada well my

1137
00:49:21,319 --> 00:49:17,329
ghost story the episodes that we produce

1138
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:21,329
here in Los Angeles are shown all over

1139
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:26,089
the world on on a knee and non A&E

1140
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:32,310
stations and there's also that what we

1141
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,310
call a Michaels story four formats that

1142
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:38,700
are being produced one is in Singapore

1143
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:41,310
that's a Southeast Asia and the other is

1144
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:43,290
being produced out of Buenos Aires for

1145
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:45,990
Latin America type of Latin America one

1146
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:49,530
is aired already so it's really been a

1147
00:49:58,610 --> 00:49:52,890
success and in in that sense this is

1148
00:50:00,740 --> 00:49:58,620
their well yeah just America invited us

1149
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:00,750
yeah you need good quality material to

1150
00:50:04,820 --> 00:50:02,730
work with for it to be a success so I

1151
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:04,830
mean you can put lipstick on a sow but

1152
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:07,080
it's not gonna last long unless you have

1153
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,180
some little content yeah so mark this is

1154
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:14,400
obviously the left-field question what

1155
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:15,840
do you tell people who say you know I

1156
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:17,130
don't believe this stuff they're just

1157
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:20,360
faking it on TV it's just a TV show

1158
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:29,970
change channel you know anyway you know

1159
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:33,090
go watch wrestling yeah we wanna watch

1160
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:35,190
something real or watch a political show

1161
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:36,980
if you want to talk about something I

1162
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:39,090
just occurred to be the wrestling isn't

1163
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:40,130
real either

1164
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:47,760
no we're in trouble now folks well

1165
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:52,680
that's real that's real people bet on

1166
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:56,640
wrestling so we know that's real that's

1167
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:00,210
how it works in our next few segments

1168
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,310
will also be beginning to ask the

1169
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:04,680
questions that our listeners have great

1170
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:07,290
so I don't know what they're gonna say

1171
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:08,700
you know we just pick them up from our

1172
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:13,290
forums and we ask them unedited except

1173
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,940
the course of case they use user

1174
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:16,800
unfriendly words we have to of course

1175
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,950
delete those we ask them and we'll have

1176
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:21,420
to see what you have to say about is we

1177
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:24,750
explore my Co story from biography

1178
00:51:28,310 --> 00:51:26,370
channel the producer Mark Phillips is

1179
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:28,320
with us with Jean and Chris you're in

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that's GC & live.com hi this is Ted

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00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:21,380
Anderson have you ever wondered why

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banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1201
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won't talk about gold IRA raise they've

1202
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been available since 1986 yet the

1203
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financial industry won't recognize the

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1205
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yet no word about IRAs if you would like

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1208
00:53:03,310 --> 00:52:59,030
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1209
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:03,320
standard of paranormal radio and now

1210
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:10,859
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1211
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,570
Chris on the podcasts Mark Phillips

1212
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:16,079
producer of my ghost story listeners I

1213
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,180
gave you the chance in our forums at

1214
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:20,280
forum dr. Peric ascom to ask your

1215
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:22,050
questions okay we have a bunch of

1216
00:53:27,319 --> 00:53:24,930
questions here and as at the time I

1217
00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:27,329
checked this message before it had 13

1218
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:29,190
messages but since that's unlucky it's

1219
00:53:33,319 --> 00:53:31,650
now up to 14 question but each you know

1220
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:33,329
message has multiple questions trained

1221
00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:36,660
observer the paranormally disenchanted

1222
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:39,750
member of the forums since 2010 ask

1223
00:53:44,810 --> 00:53:42,329
several questions of which we've had

1224
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,820
answers so far but here's one mark do

1225
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:46,800
you have anything to do with celebrity

1226
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:47,720
ghost story

1227
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:52,170
no no it's produced by another company

1228
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:55,619
and we are celebrity ghost stories

1229
00:54:01,760 --> 00:53:59,160
companion tease it up pretty good it's a

1230
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,770
pretty good-looking show so that's the

1231
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:03,599
point here they're different ghost story

1232
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:06,630
kind of things like different programs

1233
00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:09,000
about paranormal encounters are you

1234
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,099
aware of many of them and how they do

1235
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:13,680
their shows well I'm very aware of how

1236
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,270
Ghost Hunters does their show I I have a

1237
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:21,119
pretty good sense of how celebrity those

1238
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,530
stories has done those are the two that

1239
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:27,960
I'm most familiar with I guess I know a

1240
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:30,900
bit about paranormal state because I'm a

1241
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,260
fan of that show it's an Amy shows kind

1242
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,180
of an interesting show but the question

1243
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:37,440
is here do you have time to watch

1244
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:39,210
anything else since you have this big

1245
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:41,130
diet of paranormal shows plus your own

1246
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:45,150
work well I had to stay in touch with a

1247
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:49,380
lot of stuff on television I mean I I

1248
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,270
don't just produce my ghost story there

1249
00:55:02,450 --> 00:54:56,160
are other projects that I'm involved in

1250
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:02,460
and developing and I tend to watch a lot

1251
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:05,490
of reality TV I especially like the

1252
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:08,049
transactional shows stuff like

1253
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:13,490
storage wars and in auction hunters I

1254
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:15,410
don spike I think that's a terrific show

1255
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:19,220
my wife is a fan of house hunters also a

1256
00:55:23,799 --> 00:55:21,230
good show okay we're talking about here

1257
00:55:26,289 --> 00:55:23,809
folks where people go out and they look

1258
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:26,299
at a house and supposedly they choose

1259
00:55:30,579 --> 00:55:28,130
which house they want to buy among three

1260
00:55:32,019 --> 00:55:30,589
houses and the nice thing about it is if

1261
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:32,029
you're planning to move to a specific

1262
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,849
part of the world you get to see what

1263
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:36,799
the homes are like what the sceneries

1264
00:55:41,999 --> 00:55:38,750
like interesting for that kind of show

1265
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:42,009
so when you tell your wife to watch

1266
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:45,529
celebrity house hunters which I believe

1267
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:49,490
it's either on A&E or bio and its really

1268
00:55:52,779 --> 00:55:50,900
a pretty cool show and you know

1269
00:55:55,299 --> 00:55:52,789
celebrities you're following along with

1270
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:55,309
the celebrity as they're as they show

1271
00:55:58,509 --> 00:55:56,569
you their the house that they're living

1272
00:56:00,490 --> 00:55:58,519
in now and they give you a sense of what

1273
00:56:01,809 --> 00:56:00,500
they're looking for and then a real

1274
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:01,819
estate agent takes in two three

1275
00:56:05,950 --> 00:56:03,380
different houses and by the end of the

1276
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:05,960
show they choose which one they they're

1277
00:56:09,609 --> 00:56:08,089
gonna buy they have straight houses

1278
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,619
they're like you know houses anywhere

1279
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:12,559
from you know two million to 10 million

1280
00:56:17,259 --> 00:56:14,750
I mean there are pretty cool places so

1281
00:56:18,759 --> 00:56:17,269
in case you want to build a garage on

1282
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:18,769
the second storey with an elevator

1283
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:20,930
exactly okay we know that's very

1284
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:22,250
important I understand that's an

1285
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:23,630
important thing now if you want to be a

1286
00:56:27,579 --> 00:56:25,910
rich politician you have to build an

1287
00:56:30,339 --> 00:56:27,589
elevator on the second floor of your

1288
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:30,349
home but we don't cover politics on the

1289
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:31,339
show ladies and gentlemen

1290
00:56:45,339 --> 00:56:33,470
I just wanted you know make that clear

1291
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:45,349
so people are that might be it so mark

1292
00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:47,690
is it a challenge what kind of challenge

1293
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:49,460
is it to come up with a season's worth

1294
00:56:54,609 --> 00:56:52,430
of shows the challenge is doing the

1295
00:56:58,289 --> 00:56:54,619
research properly and having enough time

1296
00:57:01,660 --> 00:56:58,299
to to reach out and find the stories and

1297
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:01,670
you need to find the stories far enough

1298
00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:06,970
in advance that you can line them up and

1299
00:57:17,259 --> 00:57:11,480
get them shot quickly and efficiently

1300
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:17,269
and then you got to edit them in such a

1301
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:20,930
timeframe that you have

1302
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:25,640
20 30 stories completed before he starts

1303
00:57:30,310 --> 00:57:28,880
stacking them into shows because if you

1304
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:30,320
watch my ghost story you'll see that

1305
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:37,290
stories in any one particular show

1306
00:57:42,850 --> 00:57:40,940
they'll always be you know a story that

1307
00:57:44,860 --> 00:57:42,860
has tremendous history in it

1308
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:44,870
will always be a story that's really

1309
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:46,910
freaky you know somebody's being just

1310
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:50,030
scratched and hunted by a demon they'll

1311
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:53,360
always be some kind of a good spiritual

1312
00:57:59,620 --> 00:57:56,510
story in one and maybe even as a story

1313
00:58:02,530 --> 00:57:59,630
about an animal or so there's always you

1314
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:02,540
know that's how we try we try to we try

1315
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:06,050
to bring some variety to it really makes

1316
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:09,020
the show sting so basically you first

1317
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:11,330
record the show the episodes the

1318
00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:13,730
specific segments of the episode and

1319
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:16,700
then from your drawer of episodes or

1320
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:18,770
your repertory or whatever you say you

1321
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:20,660
know what I'm gonna balance this out and

1322
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:23,660
we assemble the show from those yes

1323
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:27,380
exactly just to give you and your your

1324
00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:29,750
listeners an idea of how we put it

1325
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:32,540
together first of all we we do our

1326
00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:34,610
research we find our stories we find our

1327
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:37,340
storytellers we then slide the

1328
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,290
storytellers to Los Angeles and we put

1329
00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:44,480
them in a studio and we shoot that

1330
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:48,560
interview sit-down portion and as that

1331
00:58:55,090 --> 00:58:52,010
is being recorded that one of the

1332
00:59:00,550 --> 00:58:55,100
producers is making very specific notes

1333
00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:00,560
about where when and how did this story

1334
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:03,950
happen so then once we have that portion

1335
00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:07,160
of it recorded and we had the evidence

1336
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:11,180
in hand we then send a field producer

1337
00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:13,550
out to the location where the story

1338
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:16,820
happened who shoots what we refer to as

1339
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:19,810
point-of-view b-roll which is all the

1340
00:59:29,310 --> 00:59:23,810
extraneous material that helps cut it

1341
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:29,320
all together and that b-roll is has a

1342
00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:30,950
mikail to it

1343
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:35,060
that that we've developed over

1344
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:36,980
you know over the years a scenic

1345
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:39,020
material is that we generalists okay

1346
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:40,850
exactly okay because we're getting into

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the inside baseball here and I wanted

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:44,480
listeners to understand here so

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basically when you're seeing somebody in

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the studio and you're recording them or

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00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:49,460
maybe you hear their voice and you're

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00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:51,860
seeing the scenery of where this

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00:59:55,540 --> 00:59:53,990
happened the home or whatever or the

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00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:55,550
surroundings and you hear their voice

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their voice is in the studio and that's

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correct but what they're or location if

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you're shooting this on location but

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you're dubbing in or editing in the

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surroundings which is kind of how all TV

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shows are done you know it's not just

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somebody standing in the haunted house

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01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:18,770
and talking no no no no so but if you

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think if you think about it that's it's

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we we put a lot of bang for the buck on

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the screen for bio because these stories

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take place all over America and by the

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way that's another that's another thing

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01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:38,330
that we take into into account when we

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when we stack the stories into a show is

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where they happened it's always great to

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be to peep popping from Massachusetts to

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Arizona to California to Alaska to

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01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,610
Florida so I have to ask you being that

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:51,200
Chris and I live in Arizona

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01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:53,450
maybe we are near a haunted house we're

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01:00:59,740 --> 01:00:56,720
living near 100 kuester we've done a few

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01:01:03,130 --> 01:00:59,750
stories in Arizona but there are just so

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many stories in Florida and so many

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stories in West Virginia and

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Pennsylvania and Massachusetts in New

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York and Ohio Illinois I mean they're

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just it's all over the world they do it

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that's all over the world but in terms

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:20,030
of this shows that we do stories that we

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do in America now this question is one

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:25,130
that probably will have to stretch to

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01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:27,890
our next segment but here it is what was

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01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:30,320
the most convincing story that you have

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01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:32,330
heard so far and you can give us as much

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detail as you want refers to an episode

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or whatever sure let me start it now or

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you want to wait well I already started

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now because cliffhangers are good ask

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the producers of Hawaii five-o when they

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did that series tie-in with NCIS Los

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Angeles

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okay well then I'll take you to the

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cliffhanger 42nd hangar they're one of

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the most compelling stories is a story

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that takes place it starts on Staten

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Island with a with a New York City

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Police Department officer who his he's

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been assigned to dig through the rubble

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of 9/11 for body parts and then stuff

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starts to follow him home and we'll find

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out what that stuff is in a moment I

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think when stuff wants to follow me home

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it might be a bill collector but they

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a ghostly location another one of those

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ghostly locations and he visits and

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talking to us on the scene but we're

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also on the scene from his office anyway

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Mark Phillips producer of my co story

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for the biography channel and we were

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talking about a story here where someone

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is digging for remains I take it mark

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01:07:38,060 --> 01:07:34,470
from 9/11 and something starts following

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him home to Staten Island after 9/11

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01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:41,280
they took all of the debris from twin

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towers they took it to Staten Island

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01:07:46,610 --> 01:07:44,850
because they wanted to make Staten

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01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,620
Island time a dumping ground I think

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people in Staten Island could say other

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01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:50,490
things about that but okay I I'm not

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:52,020
sure why they took it to Staten arms

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01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:53,370
they did take a statin on and this

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particularly had to hide somewhere that

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01:08:03,380 --> 01:07:59,640
this this officer he was assigned to

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01:08:08,060 --> 01:08:03,390
find body parts and and then he started

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01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:08,070
having experiences at home he would and

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he would take pictures of the maze

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crucifixes multiple crucifixes in his on

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the wall in his kitchen in his clock

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would keep stopping at 9:43 I think it

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was 947 I remember the exact time it was

1550
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the time when the first plane hit they

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hit the tower that happen

1552
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:28,850
over and over again he had all this

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wonderful evidence and he was a you know

1554
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:33,310
a typical into New York sync up and he

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said he'd been a cop all his life and

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:41,210
and the experience of what happened on

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Staten Island in his home finally led

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him to a heart attack and he left the

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force and he wrote a book about it's

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called running with the Bulls trying to

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remember his name name of the author but

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your audience might want to look it up

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it's quite a good book he actually

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brought me a an autographed copy of it

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when he came to came to Los Angeles

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that's one of the stories that really

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really stands out in my mind another one

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because it kind of struck me personally

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was this woman her son was born in 1977

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and her son unfortunately died when I

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think he was like 9 to 10 years old and

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ever since that time she has been

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finding money and at very important

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moments in her life and the money is

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always 1977 Cesar you know a penny a

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nickel a dime quart or whatever and I

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was sitting watching this interview from

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the control and it really it struck me

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personally because I'm always finding

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money to something bizarre I'm

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constantly finding my boy I do I wish

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that happened to me and and I consider a

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good luck it's a yeah you should

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consider work job and it's a

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superstition that that a superstition

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that was passed on to me by my father

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who passed away when I was kind of young

1588
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:17,420
but he always taught me when I when I

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find money you know to pick it up and

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put it in my left pocket leave it my

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dead father for a while which I do and

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then I have a box that I put it I've got

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a box filled with change by the way

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photos watch for million dollars he's

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got four million dollars now right so

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I'm watching this story and and I this

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lady's very compelling very compelling

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01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:39,500
story teller and I I went out to my car

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to get something and as I'm coming back

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to the studio I know this a penny on the

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floor on the ground I reach down and

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pick it up and it's a 1977 penny it was

1603
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:52,820
like whoa that's freaky and when she

1604
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came out of the studio I gave it to her

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and she slipped her out she made a huge

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hug so that's another story that stands

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out in my mind just because it affected

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01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:03,650
me personally yeah I'm saying that your

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01:11:08,590 --> 01:11:05,870
team is really obviously your

1610
01:11:10,930 --> 01:11:08,600
researchers have have been exposed to

1611
01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:10,940
some of the more celebrated haunted

1612
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,070
sites and some not so celebrated what's

1613
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,400
your short list for 400 sites in America

1614
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:20,000
that you feel give investigators you

1615
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:22,250
know the best chance to really prove

1616
01:11:27,730 --> 01:11:24,490
that there is some sort of force that

1617
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:27,740
that maybe represents some sort of

1618
01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:30,340
lifeforce after death what what are your

1619
01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:32,900
favorite haunted sites

1620
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:37,640
well gettysburg's got to be there's got

1621
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:40,010
to be the number one I mean we've done a

1622
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:41,390
number of stories in and around

1623
01:11:46,150 --> 01:11:44,090
Gettysburg and some of the evidence out

1624
01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:46,160
of Gettysburg is just phenomenal

1625
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,800
absolutely phenomenal so I would say

1626
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:53,840
that would probably probably be the

1627
01:11:59,440 --> 01:11:56,960
number one there's another one called

1628
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:59,450
the Tattaglia house which is where there

1629
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:01,580
was a very famous axe murder that took

1630
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:04,250
place there's been a few stories in and

1631
01:12:13,780 --> 01:12:09,410
around there I remember where it is w1o

1632
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:13,790
Kansas or now I think it's an Ohio or an

1633
01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:19,490
override and I've heard I'd say the big

1634
01:12:26,710 --> 01:12:23,870
Gettysburg is you know if you're members

1635
01:12:31,420 --> 01:12:26,720
of your audience want to go someplace

1636
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:31,430
where it's truly trippy it's it's got to

1637
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:36,650
be Gettysburg trippy trippy now one of

1638
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:39,320
the questions asked by our resident

1639
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,610
skeptic we have several residents

1640
01:12:44,650 --> 01:12:43,280
skeptics one is Angelo who's one of the

1641
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:44,660
administrator of reforms he's been

1642
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:48,050
around since 2009 in the forums didn't

1643
01:12:52,150 --> 01:12:50,300
just appear on this earth and hear his

1644
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:52,160
skeptical question is as follows

1645
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,220
with so much advanced technology wide

1646
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,440
we have anything that actually proves

1647
01:13:02,380 --> 01:12:59,600
ghosts are more than something that

1648
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:02,390
maybe we imagined I think I answered

1649
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:04,190
some of that already but you want to go

1650
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:06,200
on with that mark well I mean there are

1651
01:13:17,230 --> 01:13:12,910
a number of people who are working on

1652
01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:17,240
developing imaging techniques to be used

1653
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:20,150
in search of the paranormal and I've

1654
01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:21,800
seen some of it we've actually featured

1655
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:26,900
song that on our show so I mean I'm not

1656
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:30,230
convinced yet either so but I've seen

1657
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:33,250
some pretty freaky images and taken by

1658
01:13:40,570 --> 01:13:37,010
it I'm trying to remember it's a camera

1659
01:13:43,050 --> 01:13:40,580
that sees in all different dimensions

1660
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:43,060
that's one child if it is the name of it

1661
01:13:50,230 --> 01:13:45,680
is slipping my mind all different

1662
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:50,240
dimensions or damn it I mean in terms of

1663
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:52,670
frequencies life they can say from oh

1664
01:13:58,150 --> 01:13:55,310
yes there is different that's right

1665
01:13:59,880 --> 01:13:58,160
different different frequencies yeah

1666
01:14:01,810 --> 01:13:59,890
okay different spectrums of light oh

1667
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:01,820
that's what it's called it's called a

1668
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:07,430
multi spectrum camera aha okay so that's

1669
01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:09,110
one kind of film that thinking would be

1670
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:12,980
is that there's occurring outside of the

1671
01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:16,370
the visible portion of the spectrum we

1672
01:14:22,660 --> 01:14:21,020
can see outside the field that the human

1673
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:22,670
eye can see correct right

1674
01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:24,890
well that also raises the question here

1675
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:27,350
can we say them at some of these ghosts

1676
01:14:31,870 --> 01:14:30,170
can only be seen by some people because

1677
01:14:35,260 --> 01:14:31,880
they're somehow sensitive to something

1678
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:35,270
or anybody in that location at that time

1679
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:37,010
with normal vision should be able to see

1680
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:40,880
the same thing well as far as were

1681
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:42,050
concerned it's not a story unless

1682
01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:43,630
somebody's taking it to trivet or

1683
01:14:52,150 --> 01:14:50,150
recorded some in some manner mm-hmm you

1684
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:52,160
know I always come I always come back to

1685
01:14:56,440 --> 01:14:54,890
that when it when it comes to my ghost

1686
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:56,450
story was that's what my ghost story

1687
01:15:01,150 --> 01:14:57,770
that's that's what makes it such a

1688
01:15:03,250 --> 01:15:01,160
compelling show I saw this this happened

1689
01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:03,260
to me I took this picture of it

1690
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:08,180
Wow so if we get the Photoshop expert

1691
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:09,100
out there who take

1692
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:11,410
your picture he's not holy we have we

1693
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:13,480
have Photoshop experts on staff I don't

1694
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:17,530
need anybody else if somebody has pulled

1695
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:19,690
out on us already and it you know it

1696
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:21,190
ended up in the junk drawer

1697
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:23,530
we have Mark Phillips producer of my

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are you tired of searching for great

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team as a new look for this season yeah

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they just got uniforms and my female

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employees are especially excited about

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the great styles this flat-out wasn't an

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choice well it seems these young ladies

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are really hustling out here what made

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the change for you yeah well our

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guests notice well judging by their

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extra effort this team is going to the

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next level with Cintas uniforms let's go

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up to the booth for more finally a line

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that's Gober Keep Calm today hi this is

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01:19:56,860 --> 01:19:53,990
Don Ecker and you are tuned into the

1806
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:56,870
para cast let me tell you what you're

1807
01:20:00,270 --> 01:19:57,160
gonna

1808
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:00,280
here stuff here that you probably won't

1809
01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:03,520
hear anywhere else here that George

1810
01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:06,280
snoring with Jean and Chris you're in

1811
01:20:11,490 --> 01:20:08,860
the power cast with Mark Phillips right

1812
01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:11,500
now we're answering your questions and

1813
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:13,420
the one thing you mentioned there is

1814
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:15,310
yeah you can't fool them with Photoshop

1815
01:20:19,530 --> 01:20:17,710
because being a professional movie

1816
01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:19,540
production company or a TV production

1817
01:20:24,690 --> 01:20:21,880
company they've got people on staff who

1818
01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:24,700
will know if you play with the pixels

1819
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:27,400
they'll catch you I mean that's what

1820
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:32,290
editors do that's what I have some of

1821
01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:34,360
the best editors in Los Angeles working

1822
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:36,820
on this show and that's what they do

1823
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:40,060
they as editors they play with pixels so

1824
01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:44,100
when somebody's playing pixels on us you

1825
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:48,040
will catch him but you know what just

1826
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:51,250
the goofy stuff that's sent to us you

1827
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:52,480
know we get that out of the way long

1828
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:54,670
before we even get to the Edit room is

1829
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:57,370
it worth maybe a be show where you show

1830
01:21:03,980 --> 01:21:01,120
the the flubs it's kind of like the end

1831
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:03,990
of the movie rush hour we're all that

1832
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:06,310
Jean that's not a bad idea can I steal

1833
01:21:10,050 --> 01:21:08,470
that for me they steal everything from

1834
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:10,060
me you might as well steal that too I've

1835
01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:11,560
got a concept for a science fiction show

1836
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:14,620
but I can't let you start that's

1837
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,050
actually a funny idea the stories that

1838
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:19,120
didn't make that didn't make my ghost

1839
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:22,450
story I can think of a few that we

1840
01:21:28,110 --> 01:21:25,150
encounter on the power cast a few goofy

1841
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:28,120
photos and such then fact before you

1842
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,130
came on we were talking about a couple

1843
01:21:36,930 --> 01:21:32,800
of really goofy ones really yeah

1844
01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:36,940
poor attempts at photoshopping right you

1845
01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:39,550
know even the ten-year-old who knows how

1846
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,800
to do Photoshop now would do better than

1847
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:43,900
this let me ask you a question here from

1848
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:46,270
another listener main pixel Smith

1849
01:21:52,170 --> 01:21:48,610
speaking of pixels he's a guy officious

1850
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,180
pixels for a living why are ghosts often

1851
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:54,400
depicted as wearing clothing of some

1852
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:01,360
sort that's funny sometimes that's the

1853
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:04,290
most significant part of it you know a

1854
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:09,760
man in a in a in a Victorian coat the

1855
01:22:13,620 --> 01:22:10,900
one that oh here's a

1856
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:13,630
great story out of Oklahoma City of a

1857
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:18,130
woman who appears on a security camera

1858
01:22:27,419 --> 01:22:23,110
and she's wearing a ballcap and like a

1859
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:27,429
leaf I work shirt and supposedly that's

1860
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:30,250
what she was wearing when she was in a

1861
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:33,130
car accident is that the key here that

1862
01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:35,860
the ghost will wear what they were

1863
01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:37,900
wearing when they died that's correct

1864
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:40,540
okay so it's bedclothes maybe they died

1865
01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:42,610
in the hospital room so that's why for

1866
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:45,790
example on a TV show like being human

1867
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:49,090
the woman who was the ghost she's

1868
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:51,610
wearing the clothing she died in when

1869
01:22:59,130 --> 01:22:54,370
she fell down the stairs I haven't seen

1870
01:23:01,890 --> 01:22:59,140
that that show but yes I'm presuming

1871
01:23:04,860 --> 01:23:01,900
that but also you know there's a lot

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more than just ghosts at least on our

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show appear not just as in the human

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form that there's also all kinds of you

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01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:14,080
know bizarre mists and orbs and multiple

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01:23:19,169 --> 01:23:17,140
orbs and images inside orbs and all that

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01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,179
kind of stuff the most frequent of the

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01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:21,760
freakiest ones it was taken next to

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01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,360
Sharon Tate's house and it's a picture

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one of the pictures is of an orb and

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01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,600
inside the orb is a little orb is this T

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01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:33,280
or of his pregnant because because as

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01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:35,080
you know Sharon Tate was right when I

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01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,690
was murdered I've been waiting for the

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01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:39,760
ghost of Lady Godiva to be photographed

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that would be good

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01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:44,800
yeah or her horse by the way there's a

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number a number of great stories

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01:23:53,790 --> 01:23:48,670
involving animals as well sure well tell

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us a couple oh well there's a there's a

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01:24:02,040 --> 01:23:56,370
Marvel story out of Gettysburg with the

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with the mules that were pulling the

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01:24:10,649 --> 01:24:07,320
wagons of dead and wounded soldiers

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01:24:13,229 --> 01:24:10,659
that's a good one probably one of the

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most personal ones and it's a Christmas

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01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:15,909
time story is make sure I can pull this

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out in my head that's okay we are not

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putting you on trial and therefore

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01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:23,650
that's okay if you make a mistake we'll

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just

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Ragland or m/c it's a good story sir it

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01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:31,180
starts in Colorado with a woman who has

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01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:35,800
this big beautiful dog and she's in the

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01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,489
final stages of terminal cancer and her

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01:24:45,930 --> 01:24:41,440
friend from Los Angeles goes and visits

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her and is with her while she passes

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away and just before she passed away she

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01:24:54,150 --> 01:24:49,180
said would you please take care of my

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dog for me so our story teller who's

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actually actually a lawyer she said of

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course I will and after she passes away

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she takes the dog back to her home in

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Los Angeles and that Christmas which is

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01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:07,800
just shortly after the woman passed away

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01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:12,310
the dog is always staring off into space

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01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:14,710
and looking at it it's looking at

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01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:19,000
something and the dog sitter takes a

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01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:20,560
bunch of pictures of the dog and you can

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01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:25,180
see that the dog these these shapes and

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01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:28,180
images and orbs are in front of the dog

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01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:31,030
and he's just like looking at it he can

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01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:36,000
see it but and it's caught on camera but

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01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:39,430
it's a very one of those sensitive and

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01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:41,950
spiritual kind of stories you keep

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01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:45,070
mentioning orbs many of our more

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01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:48,310
skeptical listeners of the show are of a

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01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:51,870
mind of totally dismissed or yeah I know

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01:25:57,450 --> 01:25:54,940
that's particles dust particles all that

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01:25:59,040 --> 01:25:57,460
yeah I know where do you guys come down

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01:26:00,660 --> 01:25:59,050
on that I've heard I've heard you use

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01:26:02,850 --> 01:26:00,670
that term several times and well because

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01:26:05,729 --> 01:26:02,860
there is there's so much of that stuff

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01:26:08,130 --> 01:26:05,739
out there we will never do a story where

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01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:08,140
there is just a picture of an orb which

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01:26:16,350 --> 01:26:13,570
did so is it significant yeah maybe but

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01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:16,360
it becomes more significant when there

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01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:18,670
is something else has been caught them

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:22,810
on camera or on Tadeo or there's some

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01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:27,370
kind of presence that you know one of

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01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:28,690
the things that I'm really pushing my

1941
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:31,630
staff to get is to try to find stories

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01:26:37,259 --> 01:26:33,810
that have some kind of tactility to them

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01:26:39,299 --> 01:26:37,269
whereby there's an actual object

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01:26:41,549 --> 01:26:39,309
I'll give you think I'll give you well

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01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:41,559
the penny is a perfect example because

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01:26:47,339 --> 01:26:44,230
you know the woman had all the pennies

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01:26:50,189 --> 01:26:47,349
in her hand and showing it to camera but

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01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:50,199
there's a story that we did I believe

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01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:53,110
it's out of New York City where a from a

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01:27:01,319 --> 01:26:58,050
bar and we have on tape on security on

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01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:01,329
security camera tape in the middle of

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01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:03,400
the night this ashtray just leaked all

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01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:07,090
by itself and and smashes on the bar

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01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:10,960
well not only do we have this the

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01:27:16,529 --> 01:27:13,840
footage to show and the experiences that

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01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:16,539
people have working at the bar but they

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01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:18,630
also brought in the broken pieces of the

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01:27:22,859 --> 01:27:22,630
the of the ashtray I love that kind of

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01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:22,869
stuff

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01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:25,449
that's what can possibly get rid of the

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01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:31,210
deniers well you know I I I give

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01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:32,800
everybody the right to believe it or not

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01:27:37,589 --> 01:27:34,659
I mean you don't want to believe it

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01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:37,599
that's fine I mean I you know okay I

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01:27:42,359 --> 01:27:40,440
come down the middle myself on it it's

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01:27:45,739 --> 01:27:42,369
sometimes you see stuff it's hard to

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01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,749
believe and sometimes you see stuff that

1968
01:27:51,899 --> 01:27:48,400
you don't really see what other people

1969
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:51,909
are seeing in it but if they see it it's

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01:27:55,339 --> 01:27:54,730
significant to them and it's still a

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01:27:57,839 --> 01:27:55,349
good story

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01:28:01,470 --> 01:27:57,849
now our listeners will know why I'm

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01:28:03,979 --> 01:28:01,480
asking this and you may not but I'll ask

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01:28:06,209 --> 01:28:03,989
the question anyway have you explored

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01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,219
instances of so-called spirit

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01:28:10,830 --> 01:28:07,840
photography where somebody takes say a

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01:28:12,450 --> 01:28:10,840
digital camera in an empty room and they

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01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:12,460
take a picture and something appears on

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01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:15,249
the print well I don't understand the

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01:28:19,410 --> 01:28:16,480
significance of the question because

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01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:19,420
that's what happens all the time people

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01:28:26,489 --> 01:28:23,710
take pictures in an empty room because I

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01:28:28,259 --> 01:28:26,499
though because somebody has had an

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01:28:32,939 --> 01:28:28,269
experience in an empty room and lo and

1985
01:28:35,459 --> 01:28:32,949
behold does this unexplained mist or an

1986
01:28:37,649 --> 01:28:35,469
apparition of a man with no head I mean

1987
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:37,659
you know so you're physically seeing

1988
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,130
nothing but the camera is catching it

1989
01:28:44,299 --> 01:28:41,440
that's correct okay so this is happening

1990
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:44,309
to you fairly often we've seen some

1991
01:28:48,959 --> 01:28:47,110
instances where people report this but

1992
01:28:50,029 --> 01:28:48,969
it looks like they just took tiny stick

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01:28:53,419 --> 01:28:50,039
figures and stuck em

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01:28:57,409 --> 01:28:53,429
front of the camera and so I think that

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01:28:59,389 --> 01:28:57,419
we would we bet are all the evidence

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01:29:01,729 --> 01:28:59,399
pretty closely that would never happen

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01:29:04,879 --> 01:29:01,739
on our show I ridiculous question here

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01:29:07,309 --> 01:29:04,889
why are ghosts so shy what's all this

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01:29:12,139 --> 01:29:07,319
flitting about they don't like real

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01:29:13,789 --> 01:29:12,149
people live people I don't know ask a

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01:29:16,099 --> 01:29:13,799
ghost and they'll tell you we'll find

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01:29:19,699 --> 01:29:16,109
out more answers we've got Mark Phillips

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producer of my ghost story I made him

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laugh the only time I'll make them laugh

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this episode this is nothing to laugh

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about if you want to contact us on

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here that when I did my first real

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haunted side investigation as a

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cameraman and he's more of a technician

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and someone that was there with some

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experience in the fields also of that

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evidence and help interview some of our

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our principals in the pieces that we did

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I went in very skeptical about the whole

2137
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:40,430
idea of haunted sites that I felt that

2138
01:34:45,310 --> 01:34:44,090
that many of these locations and events

2139
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:45,320
could be explained

2140
01:34:49,420 --> 01:34:47,090
I'll tell ya after spending a number of

2141
01:34:52,420 --> 01:34:49,430
years in some of the more celebrated

2142
01:34:54,670 --> 01:34:52,430
haunted sites around I really done a got

2143
01:34:56,050 --> 01:34:54,680
done a 180 I really do feel that there

2144
01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:56,060
is something to these particular

2145
01:35:02,830 --> 01:34:58,420
location specific sites that deserves

2146
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:02,840
scientific study and I think we're

2147
01:35:07,450 --> 01:35:05,330
seeing a result of that in the

2148
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:07,460
incredible amount of people that are

2149
01:35:11,890 --> 01:35:09,410
fascinated by these subjects and why we

2150
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,900
have so many waves had such an upsurge

2151
01:35:16,300 --> 01:35:13,760
in interest in this subject over the

2152
01:35:19,210 --> 01:35:16,310
past 10 years and March I can't wait to

2153
01:35:21,940 --> 01:35:19,220
find someone with a TV to check out your

2154
01:35:25,630 --> 01:35:21,950
show I kind of banned TV from my shop

2155
01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:25,640
for a while but I'm very intrigued in

2156
01:35:29,850 --> 01:35:27,380
some of these are very accounts that

2157
01:35:32,890 --> 01:35:29,860
you're Vinson Indian and I do think that

2158
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:32,900
it's important as you've been stating to

2159
01:35:36,580 --> 01:35:34,850
vet this this evidence because you don't

2160
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:36,590
want it to come come up behind him bite

2161
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,350
you so I'm not going to get admirable on

2162
01:35:45,250 --> 01:35:42,080
your part not to not to jump to

2163
01:35:47,710 --> 01:35:45,260
conclusions and to really you know cya

2164
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:47,720
and dot your i's and cross your T's with

2165
01:35:54,610 --> 01:35:50,480
this I mean two weeks ago we were taping

2166
01:35:58,890 --> 01:35:54,620
storytellers and lo and behold the

2167
01:36:04,030 --> 01:35:58,900
storyteller is a woman in her mid 40s in

2168
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:04,040
a police officer uniform and she's the

2169
01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:07,370
Chief of Police of a small you know town

2170
01:36:12,370 --> 01:36:10,190
and she's telling us a ghost story and

2171
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,380
showing us this incredible security

2172
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:14,960
camera footage and

2173
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:19,090
it took her a while to come around to

2174
01:36:26,380 --> 01:36:21,650
you know telling the story in public

2175
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:26,390
because she's a police chief but she

2176
01:36:30,490 --> 01:36:29,090
believes the story that she told us and

2177
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:30,500
it's an amazing story with amazing

2178
01:36:36,910 --> 01:36:33,860
evidence tell us another an interesting

2179
01:36:40,690 --> 01:36:36,920
story this is a relates to the guy who

2180
01:36:45,700 --> 01:36:40,700
invented this full-spectrum camera this

2181
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:45,710
is a guy who has his PhD in quantum

2182
01:36:59,550 --> 01:36:52,300
physics and he makes he designs and

2183
01:37:04,420 --> 01:36:59,560
manufactures medical devices and and

2184
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:04,430
also devices for like for the CIA I mean

2185
01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:07,010
he's like this guy this is a really

2186
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,390
really smart dude and he's expanding his

2187
01:37:16,930 --> 01:37:14,080
business so he moves into this warehouse

2188
01:37:18,850 --> 01:37:16,940
it's trying to remember where it is it's

2189
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:18,860
just selfless I think it's in Carson

2190
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:24,710
California and he sets up his security

2191
01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:28,880
cameras and catches the most amazing

2192
01:37:35,050 --> 01:37:32,030
stuff when he's checking the security

2193
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:35,060
cameras a chair is moving and the items

2194
01:37:42,459 --> 01:37:37,130
on the on the desk moving around all

2195
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:42,469
completely on their own and he can't

2196
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:45,110
believe his eyes but he he's like wow

2197
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:50,480
and then he somehow gets a hold of who

2198
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:53,570
used to rent that space and whoever

2199
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,340
rented the space before him

2200
01:38:00,910 --> 01:37:57,440
there were several employees who would

2201
01:38:03,090 --> 01:38:00,920
who quit because all this stuff was

2202
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:03,100
happening in the middle of the night and

2203
01:38:08,260 --> 01:38:06,290
he act and they actually moved away from

2204
01:38:10,990 --> 01:38:08,270
this particular warehouse because it was

2205
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:11,000
so bloody haunted so this particular

2206
01:38:18,610 --> 01:38:16,090
fellow who the the PhD he said about to

2207
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:18,620
invent a camry still working on a

2208
01:38:22,330 --> 01:38:20,450
full-spectrum camera and he's recorded

2209
01:38:25,420 --> 01:38:22,340
some he showed me some of the stuff that

2210
01:38:27,250 --> 01:38:25,430
he's recorded it's pretty amazing we

2211
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:27,260
could get this technology into a video

2212
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:28,370
camera

2213
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:29,600
we might be able to detect a whole

2214
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:31,970
hidden world that's interacting with us

2215
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:33,170
we don't even know it

2216
01:38:39,550 --> 01:38:37,040
maybe wouldn't have known oh now mark at

2217
01:38:41,290 --> 01:38:39,560
all when you investigate these stories

2218
01:38:43,750 --> 01:38:41,300
as ghost errs do you find other things

2219
01:38:45,610 --> 01:38:43,760
happening in those communities I'm

2220
01:38:47,890 --> 01:38:45,620
talking about maybe UFO sightings maybe

2221
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:47,900
strange creatures stuff like that do you

2222
01:38:54,430 --> 01:38:50,480
find that when something happens it

2223
01:38:57,550 --> 01:38:54,440
opens the dam as they say well not in

2224
01:39:01,450 --> 01:38:57,560
terms of UFO but I'll give you a good

2225
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,460
example we one of our videographers who

2226
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:03,920
is like the field producers we send out

2227
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:06,970
to the locations I explained that before

2228
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:10,130
his name Steve bowlers of wonderful

2229
01:39:16,930 --> 01:39:13,250
wonderful videographer and we sent into

2230
01:39:20,140 --> 01:39:16,940
a story in Orange County and he ended up

2231
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,150
being shoved and pushed and and he

2232
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:22,880
actually recorded apparitions on tape

2233
01:39:26,980 --> 01:39:25,850
you know while he wasn't investigating

2234
01:39:30,580 --> 01:39:26,990
anything he was just shooting the b-roll

2235
01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:30,590
and this happened to him and I actually

2236
01:39:34,330 --> 01:39:32,390
went to the network and I said you know

2237
01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:34,340
we had sort of a story was in a story

2238
01:39:37,810 --> 01:39:34,760
here

2239
01:39:39,460 --> 01:39:37,820
yeah really said and they said I said

2240
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:39,470
you know should we think about maybe

2241
01:39:44,530 --> 01:39:43,490
putting this on the show and then we all

2242
01:39:48,850 --> 01:39:44,540
ruled against it because it's really

2243
01:39:51,730 --> 01:39:48,860
breaking the fourth wall but that store

2244
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:51,740
we did produce steepler story and you

2245
01:39:58,630 --> 01:39:55,510
can you can watch it at the bio website

2246
01:40:00,220 --> 01:39:58,640
it's it's it's it's about three or four

2247
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,230
minutes story so the key here is that

2248
01:40:05,020 --> 01:40:02,000
you're investigating this stuff but we

2249
01:40:07,900 --> 01:40:05,030
can't include as part of your show stuff

2250
01:40:08,380 --> 01:40:07,910
in which you or your other staff members

2251
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:08,390
are involved

2252
01:40:11,710 --> 01:40:10,130
that's correct we're not you know we're

2253
01:40:14,110 --> 01:40:11,720
not an investigatory show we don't

2254
01:40:16,180 --> 01:40:14,120
really and the only thing that we

2255
01:40:17,860 --> 01:40:16,190
investigate is to make sure that we

2256
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:17,870
believe that the storytellers are

2257
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:19,790
telling the truth and that the evidence

2258
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:21,530
that they're showing is something that

2259
01:40:26,290 --> 01:40:23,450
they that they captured and didn't

2260
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:26,300
manufacture so you're the journalists

2261
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:28,340
you're not the experiencer that's

2262
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:31,250
correct on the other hand that raises

2263
01:40:36,490 --> 01:40:33,410
another question here is in the course

2264
01:40:39,970 --> 01:40:36,500
of investigating all these things have

2265
01:40:41,890 --> 01:40:39,980
you or a member of your staff been hurt

2266
01:40:43,660 --> 01:40:41,900
or touched

2267
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:43,670
impacted in some way by some physical

2268
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:46,449
phenomenon well the number of our

2269
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:48,800
videographers who go out to the to the B

2270
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:51,890
to the B row locations had had some

2271
01:40:57,729 --> 01:40:56,239
scary things happen to them but none of

2272
01:41:00,570 --> 01:40:57,739
them have really wanted to talk about it

2273
01:41:03,550 --> 01:41:00,580
in public Steve with Steve ball it was

2274
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:03,560
Steve bowler he did want to talk about

2275
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:06,770
it so to answer your question yes now

2276
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:08,150
what are we proving here or

2277
01:41:13,630 --> 01:41:11,330
demonstrating by seeing ghosts are we

2278
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:13,640
really seeing images of dead people are

2279
01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:17,630
we into a time portal what ideas do you

2280
01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:21,020
have about it oh boy that's a hard

2281
01:41:25,959 --> 01:41:22,630
question that's what we're here for

2282
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:25,969
yeah you know and and I don't know I I

2283
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:27,650
really don't know you know what I

2284
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,730
haven't really thought about it I I mean

2285
01:41:36,220 --> 01:41:33,440
a lot of the stories have either

2286
01:41:40,030 --> 01:41:36,230
personal or historic significance to the

2287
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:40,040
storytellers so I'm not quite sure what

2288
01:41:45,939 --> 01:41:42,710
a time portal is it's like somebody

2289
01:41:48,939 --> 01:41:45,949
lived in 1890 you're seeing the image of

2290
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,949
the person who lived in 1890 but it's

2291
01:41:53,740 --> 01:41:50,719
not necessarily a ghost you're seeing

2292
01:41:56,169 --> 01:41:53,750
that person the image being transported

2293
01:41:58,479 --> 01:41:56,179
across time does that make sense yeah

2294
01:42:02,110 --> 01:41:58,489
then that's my science fiction bent

2295
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:02,120
that's right come on stuff yeah that's

2296
01:42:06,399 --> 01:42:04,460
the key here is this the afterlife what

2297
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,409
are we seeing yeah there are theories

2298
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,719
that try to explain that in terms of

2299
01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:10,960
residual hauntings versus

2300
01:42:17,620 --> 01:42:14,140
self-determined you know seemingly

2301
01:42:19,689 --> 01:42:17,630
self-determined intelligent forces there

2302
01:42:23,110 --> 01:42:19,699
are various classifications I think of

2303
01:42:24,689 --> 01:42:23,120
haunted yeah yeah there are we don't we

2304
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:24,699
don't try to get into that deep into it

2305
01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:30,170
so I will tell you that that producing

2306
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:33,830
in this particular arena has led me to

2307
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:38,210
another interesting arena that's

2308
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,790
adjacent to and that is reincarnation

2309
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:43,280
and actually a project that I'm

2310
01:42:50,740 --> 01:42:46,489
developing called our past lives and it

2311
01:42:54,189 --> 01:42:50,750
explores storytellers past lives you

2312
01:42:55,740 --> 01:42:54,199
know and there's a real and the

2313
01:42:59,130 --> 01:42:55,750
significance of there

2314
01:43:01,080 --> 01:42:59,140
past life under present life and like

2315
01:43:05,130 --> 01:43:01,090
children having an incredible knowledge

2316
01:43:07,530 --> 01:43:05,140
of a person or a timeframe that they can

2317
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:07,540
tackle I possibly have have

2318
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:10,330
intellectually known based on I mean

2319
01:43:17,310 --> 01:43:12,760
there's a there's a classic story if in

2320
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:17,320
fact it was turned into a book of this

2321
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:23,530
kid who who has this ongoing dream and

2322
01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:25,510
of yelling I'm hit im hit

2323
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:31,750
fire fire on hit and knows the word

2324
01:43:40,170 --> 01:43:37,770
Corsair with the Corsair and the father

2325
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:40,180
here's this kid talking about this stuff

2326
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:44,170
and he starts exploring and of course

2327
01:43:49,700 --> 01:43:45,970
errors you may or may not know was a

2328
01:43:55,110 --> 01:43:49,710
World War two airplane s f4u Corsair

2329
01:44:01,050 --> 01:43:55,120
made by chance Lawton and to make a long

2330
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:01,060
story short this kid even the the family

2331
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:05,050
believes is the reincarnated pilots of a

2332
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:07,030
pitch of a particular Corsair that

2333
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:10,410
crashed into the bay at the Iwo Jima Oh

2334
01:44:15,930 --> 01:44:13,840
boring da that's a way to in a segment

2335
01:44:17,940 --> 01:44:15,940
isn't it folks Mark Phillips joins us

2336
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:17,950
with Jean and Chris you're in the para

2337
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:19,490
gas

2338
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:28,099
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2362
01:45:22,349 --> 01:45:20,739
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2363
01:45:23,489 --> 01:45:22,359
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2364
01:45:25,259 --> 01:45:23,499
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2365
01:45:26,429 --> 01:45:25,269
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2366
01:45:28,409 --> 01:45:26,439
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2367
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:28,419
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that's 800 686 to 237

2371
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2372
01:45:58,859 --> 01:45:52,169
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2373
01:46:00,569 --> 01:45:58,869
here's Jane Steinberg with Xena and

2374
01:46:03,089 --> 01:46:00,579
Chris we're talking to Mark Phillips who

2375
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:03,099
is now conceiving a show that might deal

2376
01:46:08,219 --> 01:46:05,530
with reincarnation have you encountered

2377
01:46:09,869 --> 01:46:08,229
other similar episodes you like to

2378
01:46:13,020 --> 01:46:09,879
recount before we get onto some more

2379
01:46:16,379 --> 01:46:13,030
ghost stuff what a reincarnation yes

2380
01:46:17,969 --> 01:46:16,389
okay we'd like to hear more well I mean

2381
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:17,979
there's there's lots of great stories

2382
01:46:24,899 --> 01:46:22,510
out there but I would prefer if you

2383
01:46:29,009 --> 01:46:24,909
don't mind to save them for my pilot

2384
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:29,019
that I'm doing to sell the new show well

2385
01:46:33,209 --> 01:46:30,249
there's a bus it have to do with

2386
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:33,219
reincarnated ripich's from from you know

2387
01:46:42,179 --> 01:46:39,280
Tibetan stuff I think it's a pretty

2388
01:46:45,659 --> 01:46:42,189
fascinating arena I'm not sure whether

2389
01:46:50,609 --> 01:46:45,669
as many people believe in reincarnation

2390
01:46:53,329 --> 01:46:50,619
as believe in quote-unquote the

2391
01:46:55,829 --> 01:46:53,339
paranormal but it's kind of the it's

2392
01:47:00,409 --> 01:46:55,839
it's kind of the Saint Church just it's

2393
01:47:04,109 --> 01:47:00,419
just a different pew but there are many

2394
01:47:05,639 --> 01:47:04,119
even famous people who believe who

2395
01:47:07,739 --> 01:47:05,649
sincerely believe that they were

2396
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:07,749
reincarnated Stephen King believes he

2397
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:11,530
was reincarnated that he was Jonathan

2398
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:15,010
Swift in a in a former life personally I

2399
01:47:19,889 --> 01:47:17,530
like Jonathan Swift's work better than

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01:47:22,259 --> 01:47:19,899
Stephen King's but there you go General

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George Patton General George Patton

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01:47:27,989 --> 01:47:25,510
thought he was who was it again

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01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:27,999
a famous Hannibal go broke well you know

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01:47:33,810 --> 01:47:30,639
it's kind of Awesome yeah and also a I

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01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:33,820
think a Roman a Roman centurions or a

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01:47:37,379 --> 01:47:36,820
Roman general if I if I remember

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01:47:41,339 --> 01:47:37,389
correctly

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01:47:43,739 --> 01:47:41,349
Hannibal was the main one we segue back

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01:47:47,099 --> 01:47:43,749
to ghosts coming from one of our

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01:47:49,409 --> 01:47:47,109
listeners para reality st. what a name

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01:47:52,379 --> 01:47:49,419
he asked a number of questions I think

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01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:52,389
we've kind of covered but one is our

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01:47:57,180 --> 01:47:55,689
ghosts necessarily benign creatures or

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01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,190
there is some demonic

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01:48:01,470 --> 01:47:59,920
suspect what's your oh no that it it it

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01:48:03,660 --> 01:48:01,480
runs the full gamut

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01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:03,670
there's benign and there's really

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01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:06,730
demonic yeah there are some very ones

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01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:09,190
out there what's the scariest you've

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01:48:12,030 --> 01:48:11,110
encountered amongst the shows that

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01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:12,040
you've recorded

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01:48:17,370 --> 01:48:14,880
well the ones that we've had a number of

2423
01:48:21,260 --> 01:48:17,380
stories that have involved scratchings

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01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:21,270
and that's really bizarre stuff that's

2425
01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:24,280
really really bizarre stuff now is one

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01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:26,260
of those Tony Pickman in the Sallie

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01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:28,810
house and Atchison Kansas oh we did that

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01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,650
story long time ago yeah I investigated

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01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:34,480
there that's that's the real McCoy there

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01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:36,430
I think yeah that's a really bizarre

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01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:40,090
place he actually revealed he actually

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01:48:47,070 --> 01:48:43,620
revealed on the show something that he

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01:48:48,689 --> 01:48:47,080
has never revealed in the past and that

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01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:48,699
is that he actually killed the

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01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:50,920
neighbor's cat he actually he actually

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01:49:00,150 --> 01:48:54,570
stuck a knife straight to the cat what

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01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:00,160
he responsible he was driven to this he

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01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:02,110
was driven to evil because it's such an

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01:49:08,820 --> 01:49:04,230
evil thing to do to kill a cat with a

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01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:08,830
butcher knife Wow but there was a got to

2441
01:49:12,990 --> 01:49:10,380
a point where he wanted to kill his wife

2442
01:49:15,209 --> 01:49:13,000
you know they just they just had to get

2443
01:49:17,220 --> 01:49:15,219
out of that house I believe to this day

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01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:17,230
that houses that house is still empty

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01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:21,760
yep well I I think the team that I went

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01:49:25,470 --> 01:49:23,650
in with was one of the last teams to

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01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:25,480
investigate there for a number of years

2448
01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:28,840
and the first time Tony and his wife had

2449
01:49:35,580 --> 01:49:31,060
been back in the house in a year and a

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01:49:37,470 --> 01:49:35,590
half two years and same thing happened

2451
01:49:39,810 --> 01:49:37,480
to him you got you know the scratches

2452
01:49:42,209 --> 01:49:39,820
developed right on camera we were down

2453
01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:42,219
in the basement area and some presence

2454
01:49:49,950 --> 01:49:44,350
started coming up through the floors I

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01:49:53,010 --> 01:49:49,960
mean I was real it was I get very very

2456
01:49:54,689 --> 01:49:53,020
very very freaky place yeah I have never

2457
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:54,699
felt anything like that in all my years

2458
01:49:59,070 --> 01:49:56,680
of being out in the field doing things

2459
01:50:00,360 --> 01:49:59,080
that's the real McCoy there I'll tell

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01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,370
you what mark you're gonna have to get

2461
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:02,560
together with our co-host miss O'Brien

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01:50:08,010 --> 01:50:05,850
he has done a lot of research and maybe

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01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:08,020
there are things he can help you with

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01:50:10,930 --> 01:50:10,210
I'm serious you should just get a hold

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01:50:13,690 --> 01:50:10,940
of me

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01:50:15,850 --> 01:50:13,700
Oh cake and uh and if I can one more

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01:50:17,980 --> 01:50:15,860
time tell your audience if there are

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01:50:19,780 --> 01:50:17,990
people out there who have a story with

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01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:19,790
evidence and they want to they want to

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01:50:26,220 --> 01:50:21,050
reach out to us and come on our show

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01:50:32,620 --> 01:50:26,230
they can email us at my ghost story at M

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01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:32,630
PPT dot TV it's M TT t dot TV so it's M

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01:50:39,460 --> 01:50:35,930
is in mark T as in filipok E as in

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01:50:42,670 --> 01:50:39,470
production t as in television dot TV

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01:50:46,090 --> 01:50:42,680
okay so it's Peter Peter or Phillips

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01:50:48,010 --> 01:50:46,100
Phillips TV not TV it's confusing you

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01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:48,020
know let's we'll try to step up its mark

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01:50:54,940 --> 01:50:49,130
Peter Peter

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01:50:58,030 --> 01:50:54,950
Tom dot Tom V okay now we got it and

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01:50:59,740 --> 01:50:58,040
we'll try to reproduce it in our site I

2481
01:51:03,130 --> 01:50:59,750
have a question here which is more than

2482
01:51:05,710 --> 01:51:03,140
a comment it's from one of our new

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01:51:07,630 --> 01:51:05,720
members of the forum called nameless I'm

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01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:07,640
serious that's the name he chooses to

2485
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:10,340
use or she chooses to use and this is

2486
01:51:14,260 --> 01:51:11,840
more of a statement than a question well

2487
01:51:16,180 --> 01:51:14,270
I asked it hello ghost schools and

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01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:16,190
specters have always been a part of

2489
01:51:21,310 --> 01:51:18,980
humanity and a facet of every culture it

2490
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:21,320
seems like they're built into the fabric

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01:51:27,340 --> 01:51:24,560
society yet due to its temporal

2492
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:27,350
translucent and ethereal nature has

2493
01:51:32,260 --> 01:51:30,110
never been taken too seriously I would

2494
01:51:34,750 --> 01:51:32,270
really like to know from an experiencer

2495
01:51:36,940 --> 01:51:34,760
and as a professional in the field as to

2496
01:51:41,230 --> 01:51:36,950
whether mark feels that apparitions are

2497
01:51:43,210 --> 01:51:41,240
natural anomaly or anti-d rooted to a

2498
01:51:46,410 --> 01:51:43,220
material place outside of the

2499
01:51:49,150 --> 01:51:46,420
experiencer or maybe is a shared

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01:51:51,850 --> 01:51:49,160
psychological occurring phenomenon

2501
01:51:55,230 --> 01:51:51,860
created by the witness or witnesses a

2502
01:51:57,610 --> 01:51:55,240
form of collective subconscious Tulpa

2503
01:52:01,360 --> 01:51:57,620
that was a hard one to read I'll tell

2504
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:01,370
you folks thank you I met with you give

2505
01:52:08,530 --> 01:52:04,730
me a raise later I Chris yeah and my

2506
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:08,540
answer to here is yes or him I'm not

2507
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:10,850
sure which yet the long the long answer

2508
01:52:21,130 --> 01:52:19,280
is yes the short answer would be uh well

2509
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:21,140
I think what she was getting at her he

2510
01:52:24,750 --> 01:52:24,050
was getting at is the possibility of a

2511
01:52:28,350 --> 01:52:24,760
collect

2512
01:52:31,210 --> 01:52:28,360
manifestation of phenomenal events

2513
01:52:34,660 --> 01:52:31,220
similar to creating a Toto which would

2514
01:52:36,490 --> 01:52:34,670
be a manifested spirit being that

2515
01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:36,500
actually becomes physical and this comes

2516
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:40,190
from a Tibetan tradition so I think they

2517
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:42,890
were trying to differentiate between the

2518
01:52:46,150 --> 01:52:44,690
various explanations for these things

2519
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:46,160
and I think my short answer is yes

2520
01:52:50,230 --> 01:52:49,010
they're all probably true is is at least

2521
01:52:53,410 --> 01:52:50,240
that's what I took your single word

2522
01:52:55,420 --> 01:52:53,420
answer to me exactly I think that that I

2523
01:52:57,790 --> 01:52:55,430
think we're dealing with something very

2524
01:53:00,100 --> 01:52:57,800
complicated as I'm sure your team is

2525
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:00,110
found out there are no boilerplate

2526
01:53:06,940 --> 01:53:03,370
explanations for any of this and my mind

2527
01:53:10,690 --> 01:53:06,950
so is it that some people are meant to

2528
01:53:17,140 --> 01:53:10,700
see ghosts born into it or it just

2529
01:53:20,410 --> 01:53:17,150
happens I think that it's a combination

2530
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:20,420
of both sometimes it just happens and

2531
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:23,830
some people are just meant to see them I

2532
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:26,000
mean because I've met people who are

2533
01:53:35,170 --> 01:53:30,250
just so in tune with this stuff that

2534
01:53:37,420 --> 01:53:35,180
they uncover things wherever they go is

2535
01:53:39,580 --> 01:53:37,430
it part of a belief system that son may

2536
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:39,590
be inherently you believe there are

2537
01:53:44,620 --> 01:53:43,130
ghosts therefore if you go to the right

2538
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,630
place at the right time you'll see them

2539
01:53:49,390 --> 01:53:46,880
but if you're not really into that it's

2540
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:49,400
not gonna happen or am I just barking up

2541
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:51,650
the wrong tree I think you're barking up

2542
01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:52,250
the wrong tree

2543
01:53:56,860 --> 01:53:54,670
yeah I agree that you just you just

2544
01:54:01,150 --> 01:53:56,870
brought up an interesting memory that

2545
01:54:02,530 --> 01:54:01,160
I'm gonna share with you sure my I don't

2546
01:54:03,790 --> 01:54:02,540
if you know anything about my background

2547
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:03,800
I was born in England I grew up in

2548
01:54:10,030 --> 01:54:06,410
Canada and I came to America to work in

2549
01:54:12,670 --> 01:54:10,040
television and though I did work in

2550
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:12,680
television in Canada as well my father

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01:54:19,930 --> 01:54:15,770
passed away to a very young age at a

2552
01:54:22,210 --> 01:54:19,940
very hard life and my father was a

2553
01:54:24,150 --> 01:54:22,220
tailor a woman's tailor by trades and

2554
01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:24,160
when we emigrated from England to Canada

2555
01:54:30,030 --> 01:54:27,500
he couldn't get a job you think he would

2556
01:54:33,970 --> 01:54:30,040
have researched an advanced but anyway

2557
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:33,980
so he ended up making drapes he then

2558
01:54:39,870 --> 01:54:37,930
went on to become like a truck driver

2559
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:39,880
packing company but he was very talented

2560
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,730
to tailor and very talented at making

2561
01:54:47,010 --> 01:54:44,560
drapes I mean if he could make a woman

2562
01:54:48,260 --> 01:54:47,020
suit you can make even make a set of

2563
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:48,270
drapes in your sleep

2564
01:54:56,820 --> 01:54:53,170
so all this leads me to he had made

2565
01:54:59,610 --> 01:54:56,830
drapes that covered the entire wall of

2566
01:55:01,410 --> 01:54:59,620
their bedroom and after my father passed

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01:55:05,460 --> 01:55:01,420
away was several years after he passed

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01:55:10,670 --> 01:55:05,470
away my mother was in bed and trying to

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01:55:13,710 --> 01:55:10,680
fall asleep and she saw my father appear

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01:55:16,230 --> 01:55:13,720
through the drapes come around to the

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side of the bed and then he put his head

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01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:20,730
on her lap and then poof disappeared

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01:55:25,710 --> 01:55:23,890
the segment's gonna disappear we have

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we have mark phillips with gene and

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chris on the power caste mark telling us

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of the time not long after his dad had

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died that your mom saw him through the

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drapes and let me put this in context

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for you my mother is not the kind of

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person who you would think would be

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02:00:20,290 --> 02:00:18,290
seeing ghosts

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02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:20,300
she told me about this about nine months

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02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:22,570
ago I was up visiting her in Toronto and

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and she told us to me after I asked if

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02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:29,390
she's been watching my ghost story cuz

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02:00:34,750 --> 02:00:32,210
it's very popular in Canada and she said

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she watched it once but it scared the

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02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:35,620
crap out of her

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though she didn't use that word and then

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she told me that story and it really it

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actually blew my mind because it was

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like holy month this is just not my

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02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:49,000
mother my mother is as straight and as

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02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:53,030
uncomplicated as an arrow so for her to

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02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:54,770
have that kind of experience and talk

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02:00:59,320 --> 02:00:57,290
about it and for waits to wait so many

2702
02:01:02,020 --> 02:00:59,330
year just to tell me about it Wow yeah

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02:01:05,979 --> 02:01:02,030
did you think that maybe you think she's

2704
02:01:07,660 --> 02:01:05,989
crazy no I just think that given the

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02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:07,670
context of one of the shows that I'm

2706
02:01:13,450 --> 02:01:10,400
doing is all about ghosts I think she

2707
02:01:15,220 --> 02:01:13,460
just felt that she could tell me and I

2708
02:01:16,899 --> 02:01:15,230
wouldn't think that she was crazy did

2709
02:01:19,419 --> 02:01:16,909
she ever have any other experience or

2710
02:01:21,790 --> 02:01:19,429
was this a singular event the only the

2711
02:01:23,020 --> 02:01:21,800
only event she ever told me about so

2712
02:01:25,689 --> 02:01:23,030
maybe there's something else there if

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02:01:29,500 --> 02:01:25,699
you talk to her the right way and maybe

2714
02:01:32,500 --> 02:01:29,510
buyers in perfume send her a gift and

2715
02:01:34,300 --> 02:01:32,510
tell her tell your ghost stories any

2716
02:01:35,979 --> 02:01:34,310
other members of your family have

2717
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:35,989
strange things happen to them since

2718
02:01:41,740 --> 02:01:37,370
we're going in that direction

2719
02:01:46,060 --> 02:01:41,750
no I have a very small family so not

2720
02:01:47,290 --> 02:01:46,070
really no not at all no no I understand

2721
02:01:50,260 --> 02:01:47,300
this because the same thing is true with

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02:01:52,570 --> 02:01:50,270
my family you know my parents never paid

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02:01:55,390 --> 02:01:52,580
attention my brothers sort of paid

2724
02:01:58,060 --> 02:01:55,400
attention but he did it in a way that he

2725
02:01:58,900 --> 02:01:58,070
could poke fun at me I think right if

2726
02:02:01,330 --> 02:01:58,910
that happens

2727
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:01,340
so it didn't happen to me how about the

2728
02:02:04,570 --> 02:02:03,290
people that you recruited as far of your

2729
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:04,580
staff these people you've worked with

2730
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:06,590
for years or those who joined you

2731
02:02:11,260 --> 02:02:07,850
because they had a particular interest

2732
02:02:14,140 --> 02:02:11,270
in the subject it really most of my

2733
02:02:15,820 --> 02:02:14,150
staff especially the the people who've

2734
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,830
been working with me for many many years

2735
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,360
they're just really really good

2736
02:02:20,980 --> 02:02:19,760
storytellers because that's what

2737
02:02:25,450 --> 02:02:20,990
television is all about it's all about

2738
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:25,460
good storytelling and if you're a good

2739
02:02:31,390 --> 02:02:28,730
storyteller and you can wrap your arms

2740
02:02:33,550 --> 02:02:31,400
around the material or wrap your head

2741
02:02:38,850 --> 02:02:33,560
around the material then you're gonna do

2742
02:02:42,340 --> 02:02:38,860
well on my ghost story I would say that

2743
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:42,350
the in terms of editors which is one of

2744
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:44,030
the hardest things to do on the show

2745
02:02:51,190 --> 02:02:47,440
there are a number of my editors who are

2746
02:02:53,470 --> 02:02:51,200
true believers and they cut really good

2747
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:53,480
stories and then there are a number of

2748
02:02:57,400 --> 02:02:56,000
editors who they're kind of skeptics but

2749
02:02:59,830 --> 02:02:57,410
they really know how to tell a good

2750
02:03:01,420 --> 02:02:59,840
story when cutting it together so it's a

2751
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:01,430
it's a combination of both I'm not

2752
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:04,000
evading a specific answer it's just

2753
02:03:07,870 --> 02:03:06,290
there are some people who are more into

2754
02:03:11,580 --> 02:03:07,880
it than others but it that's not

2755
02:03:14,380 --> 02:03:11,590
necessarily what makes a good producer

2756
02:03:17,230 --> 02:03:14,390
or editor for my ghost story it's

2757
02:03:19,180 --> 02:03:17,240
debilitating however the story doesn't

2758
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:19,190
matter exactly you have to leave your

2759
02:03:24,580 --> 02:03:21,290
own personal belief system about side

2760
02:03:26,230 --> 02:03:24,590
the Cynthia edit suite door and like you

2761
02:03:27,070 --> 02:03:26,240
said you know do your job and tell the

2762
02:03:28,690 --> 02:03:27,080
story correctly

2763
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:28,700
there you have a question I have a

2764
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:30,770
question for you a concerning electronic

2765
02:03:34,900 --> 02:03:33,410
voice phenomenon how important a part

2766
02:03:37,150 --> 02:03:34,910
does that play in your evidence

2767
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:37,160
gathering process oh I love that stuff

2768
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:38,810
right now and she's watched my ghost

2769
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:40,570
story you should see how we present it

2770
02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:45,530
we have a very specific graphic that we

2771
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:49,760
use to illustrate visually it's a sound

2772
02:03:56,140 --> 02:03:53,330
and it's it's very cool I love easy I

2773
02:03:59,140 --> 02:03:56,150
love EVPs expecting is great stuff we

2774
02:04:01,990 --> 02:03:59,150
have some really phenomenal EVPs yeah I

2775
02:04:03,940 --> 02:04:02,000
Michael Esposito has been on the show in

2776
02:04:07,090 --> 02:04:03,950
the past took a little bit of flack for

2777
02:04:08,410 --> 02:04:07,100
his reliance on cheap digital hand

2778
02:04:09,780 --> 02:04:08,420
record as people say well why don't you

2779
02:04:12,459 --> 02:04:09,790
get you know state-of-the-art

2780
02:04:14,500 --> 02:04:12,469
you know microphones and

2781
02:04:17,229 --> 02:04:14,510
and recording equipment and he seems to

2782
02:04:20,890 --> 02:04:17,239
think that RCA equipment is somehow

2783
02:04:23,890 --> 02:04:20,900
designed in a way that does allow it to

2784
02:04:25,810 --> 02:04:23,900
be more efficient in terms of picking up

2785
02:04:28,750 --> 02:04:25,820
EVP and of course the skeptics arguments

2786
02:04:30,970 --> 02:04:28,760
say well it just has has you know crappy

2787
02:04:34,090 --> 02:04:30,980
circuitry and so you're producing more

2788
02:04:36,970 --> 02:04:34,100
noise with the with that particular you

2789
02:04:39,670 --> 02:04:36,980
know technology and that's why you're

2790
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:39,680
getting here you know more EVPs

2791
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:42,770
relatively speaking to other gear where

2792
02:04:47,590 --> 02:04:45,650
do you come down on actual uh the actual

2793
02:04:51,790 --> 02:04:47,600
science if there is such a thing

2794
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:51,800
regarding EVP well any what I can't come

2795
02:04:57,700 --> 02:04:55,310
down on anything because we've had EVPs

2796
02:04:59,530 --> 02:04:57,710
recorded on all kinds of different

2797
02:05:03,370 --> 02:04:59,540
equipment all the way from you know a

2798
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:03,380
cell phone to a to a reel-to-reel tape

2799
02:05:09,370 --> 02:05:06,610
recorder to I mean it's like it's to

2800
02:05:13,750 --> 02:05:09,380
recorded with good microphones and with

2801
02:05:16,300 --> 02:05:13,760
no microphone so I've heard it all over

2802
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:16,310
the place yeah he just got back from

2803
02:05:23,590 --> 02:05:21,010
Rome and did EVP sessions in the in the

2804
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:23,600
basement waiting area of the Colosseum

2805
02:05:28,270 --> 02:05:26,330
and he's pretty convinced that he has

2806
02:05:30,939 --> 02:05:28,280
quite a number of different languages

2807
02:05:35,650 --> 02:05:30,949
including ancient Greek that he feels

2808
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:35,660
he's captured and uh he also was able to

2809
02:05:41,140 --> 02:05:38,690
capture an extinct form of patois to me

2810
02:05:43,540 --> 02:05:41,150
in one site that he did in the Midwest

2811
02:05:48,189 --> 02:05:43,550
and only a handful of people still were

2812
02:05:50,830 --> 02:05:48,199
able to decipher our language which I

2813
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:50,840
find very very compelling hard to just

2814
02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:54,170
throw that one out with a sceptical

2815
02:05:58,330 --> 02:05:56,930
dismissal that's that's pretty

2816
02:06:01,479 --> 02:05:58,340
compelling evidence to me and I think

2817
02:06:03,490 --> 02:06:01,489
EVP is is a very important investigative

2818
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:03,500
tool and obviously you guys are relying

2819
02:06:10,959 --> 02:06:07,760
on some Class A EVPs to present once

2820
02:06:13,689 --> 02:06:10,969
again I would never we would never do a

2821
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:13,699
show that's just based on an EVP we're

2822
02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:17,810
doing EVP plus some kind of we're still

2823
02:06:23,500 --> 02:06:20,449
producing a show it has to have a visual

2824
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:23,510
appeal not just a great story yeah like

2825
02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:25,970
it's always yeah

2826
02:06:34,090 --> 02:06:30,860
you have to have multiple pieces of

2827
02:06:35,950 --> 02:06:34,100
evidence right go story apply and I

2828
02:06:38,650 --> 02:06:35,960
suppose also a mark it's a juggling

2829
02:06:40,750 --> 02:06:38,660
match that you want to be true to the

2830
02:06:44,620 --> 02:06:40,760
story presented accurately but you also

2831
02:06:46,510 --> 02:06:44,630
have to be presenting a product as they

2832
02:06:48,340 --> 02:06:46,520
say in show business that is

2833
02:06:50,610 --> 02:06:48,350
entertaining to the people who are

2834
02:06:53,140 --> 02:06:50,620
watching it and keep their attention

2835
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:53,150
correct it's kind of a juggling match to

2836
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:55,070
do that without of course pandering to

2837
02:06:59,230 --> 02:06:56,570
the audience but to be true to your

2838
02:07:01,560 --> 02:06:59,240
material you always have to be true to

2839
02:07:03,820 --> 02:07:01,570
your story yep

2840
02:07:07,900 --> 02:07:03,830
and let me hear you say that because

2841
02:07:11,590 --> 02:07:07,910
there are some programs that aren't in

2842
02:07:12,910 --> 02:07:11,600
the reality world actually all over TV I

2843
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:12,920
mean you know there's a lot of jumpa

2844
02:07:18,190 --> 02:07:15,530
there's a lot of junk on TV but yes

2845
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:18,200
there's a lot of good stuff as well get

2846
02:07:23,620 --> 02:07:21,890
you in your network news yeah makes it

2847
02:07:26,590 --> 02:07:23,630
difficult and I guess but part of it is

2848
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:26,600
that there's such a clamor for reality

2849
02:07:33,910 --> 02:07:32,090
TV these days and obviously they have to

2850
02:07:36,130 --> 02:07:33,920
be stretching the envelope for your zero

2851
02:07:37,660 --> 02:07:36,140
point where this kind of reality show is

2852
02:07:39,970 --> 02:07:37,670
going to go out of style and back

2853
02:07:41,770 --> 02:07:39,980
towards more scripted programming or

2854
02:07:44,290 --> 02:07:41,780
what do you think never it'll never

2855
02:07:48,430 --> 02:07:44,300
happen it'll never happen

2856
02:07:53,790 --> 02:07:48,440
there's too much products required in

2857
02:07:58,660 --> 02:07:56,370
you know one of the reasons that I

2858
02:08:03,480 --> 02:07:58,670
didn't tell other than television for a

2859
02:08:05,710 --> 02:08:03,490
long time and I've been in reality or

2860
02:08:08,710 --> 02:08:05,720
alternative is sometimes called my whole

2861
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:08,720
career I have done some scripted stuff

2862
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:10,730
but I've always been in this space I'd

2863
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:12,530
say well began to more of this in a

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either to meet Pope you're listening to

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the parrot car as we closed out this

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segment you mentioned that you've been

2979
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mostly doing reality programming as

2980
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opposed to scripted programming what

2981
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attracted you to reality programming in

2982
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general so I got my first job now I'll

2983
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do it for you my first job was as a

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researcher on a sort of a wacky talk

2985
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show that was I was hired in Toronto but

2986
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it was shot in Montreal and it was

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produced by a big American production

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company in Canada called Columbia

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Pictures Television and it was through

2990
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them that I got down here but I had

2991
02:13:26,590 --> 02:13:23,930
always done talk shows and game shows

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02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:26,600
and panel shows that kind of stuff

2993
02:13:36,010 --> 02:13:32,090
and it occurred to me in the probably

2994
02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:36,020
the late 80s I was a studio executive at

2995
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mgm/ua that this was gonna be an arena

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of television it was going to grow

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because so much of the scripted material

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was costing so much money yeah and

2999
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especially for the writers and you know

3000
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you if you analyzed the shows in the

3001
02:14:05,140 --> 02:14:02,570
late 80s early 90s sitcoms and some of

3002
02:14:08,980 --> 02:14:05,150
these guys are being paid huge money to

3003
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:08,990
write absolute junk thank you my friend

3004
02:14:14,350 --> 02:14:12,410
for saying that because that is absolute

3005
02:14:17,950 --> 02:14:14,360
junk and I remember the writers strike a

3006
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:17,960
few years ago and I would draw a drive

3007
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:21,770
from my home to my office I'd drive by

3008
02:14:28,090 --> 02:14:24,170
Fox and there are all these writers out

3009
02:14:32,110 --> 02:14:28,100
there with signs you know that somehow

3010
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the business has ripped them off they

3011
02:14:38,020 --> 02:14:35,500
ripped us off as far as I'm concerned I

3012
02:14:41,410 --> 02:14:38,030
got to tell you something to write a

3013
02:14:44,980 --> 02:14:41,420
sitcom and be funny you got to be really

3014
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:44,990
really good and the network's finally

3015
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:46,610
came to the conclusion you know what

3016
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:47,840
we're paying through the nose for

3017
02:14:55,810 --> 02:14:52,970
garbage at least reality

3018
02:15:00,130 --> 02:14:55,820
it doesn't claim to be anything else but

3019
02:15:04,630 --> 02:15:00,140
garbage well you know I tell you

3020
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:04,640
something the public with a bad joke you

3021
02:15:08,230 --> 02:15:06,290
know I watch these coming attractions

3022
02:15:09,340 --> 02:15:08,240
and I watch some serious TV each evening

3023
02:15:11,470 --> 02:15:09,350
I think there's some shows they're

3024
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:11,480
really well done I'm a fan of say of

3025
02:15:14,940 --> 02:15:12,110
Fringe

3026
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:14,950
it's very imaginative I think some grunt

3027
02:15:19,210 --> 02:15:17,840
I'm a fan of house and I'm so sorry

3028
02:15:21,940 --> 02:15:19,220
asleep it's going away

3029
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:21,950
my wife has gotten a little bit as they

3030
02:15:27,880 --> 02:15:25,010
say disenchanted but you know Hugh

3031
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:27,890
Laurie is such an incredible performer

3032
02:15:31,690 --> 02:15:29,810
some people suggesting he should be the

3033
02:15:33,460 --> 02:15:31,700
next Doctor Who by the way because he

3034
02:15:35,230 --> 02:15:33,470
has that quirkiness to him but the last

3035
02:15:36,910 --> 02:15:35,240
episode for example he directed I

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02:15:40,230 --> 02:15:36,920
thought was really well done episode

3037
02:15:44,650 --> 02:15:40,240
where his friend his friend on the show

3038
02:15:46,930 --> 02:15:44,660
right has cancer and he's showing him

3039
02:15:49,870 --> 02:15:46,940
going through chemo and everything else

3040
02:15:51,490 --> 02:15:49,880
it was a fascinating show but I'm glad

3041
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:51,500
we're kind of think alike about stuff

3042
02:15:58,270 --> 02:15:55,130
like that moving on to our little corner

3043
02:16:00,040 --> 02:15:58,280
of the world here a reality show people

3044
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:00,050
understand it if they've had ghost

3045
02:16:04,450 --> 02:16:02,960
experiences or they understand because

3046
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:04,460
it's happened to them or they know

3047
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:06,800
people to know what's happened but what

3048
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:08,000
about the mainstream scientific

3049
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:09,770
community now you can say look we're

3050
02:16:14,860 --> 02:16:11,570
producing an entertainment show yes it

3051
02:16:17,170 --> 02:16:14,870
is reality we have no obligation or do

3052
02:16:18,820 --> 02:16:17,180
you think that scientists ought to be

3053
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:18,830
interested in figuring out what's going

3054
02:16:23,230 --> 02:16:21,440
on oh I think they should be I gave you

3055
02:16:26,490 --> 02:16:23,240
the example of a guy who's developing

3056
02:16:30,190 --> 02:16:26,500
the full-spectrum cameras for sure and

3057
02:16:34,860 --> 02:16:30,200
but he's such an exception well I mean

3058
02:16:37,540 --> 02:16:34,870
I've run into a number of very very

3059
02:16:41,650 --> 02:16:37,550
well-educated people who are really into

3060
02:16:44,350 --> 02:16:41,660
it and and who were investigators dr.

3061
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:44,360
Renee Cruz if you know her I believe

3062
02:16:50,860 --> 02:16:48,050
she's out of Massachusetts but you know

3063
02:16:55,270 --> 02:16:50,870
she's a mechanical engineering professor

3064
02:16:56,890 --> 02:16:55,280
and it's like totally trying to use the

3065
02:17:01,360 --> 02:16:56,900
scientific method to prove that

3066
02:17:03,250 --> 02:17:01,370
something is haunted we're so very it

3067
02:17:05,650 --> 02:17:03,260
may it may it may take a while and they

3068
02:17:08,290 --> 02:17:05,660
take a while

3069
02:17:09,610 --> 02:17:08,300
you think I was like yours and the fact

3070
02:17:12,130 --> 02:17:09,620
that so many millions of people are

3071
02:17:13,780 --> 02:17:12,140
interested will encourage scientists to

3072
02:17:15,820 --> 02:17:13,790
say you know what maybe I should take a

3073
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:15,830
look and see I'd like about I'd like to

3074
02:17:27,130 --> 02:17:17,120
I'd like to think so

3075
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:27,140
with a buddy and bandmate of mine on st.

3076
02:17:32,470 --> 02:17:30,160
Patty's Day down in Santa Monica and

3077
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:32,480
somebody joins us at the table and he

3078
02:17:40,660 --> 02:17:36,050
say mergers and acquisition professor a

3079
02:17:45,940 --> 02:17:40,670
USC he's written six books obviously has

3080
02:17:49,690 --> 02:17:45,950
a doctorate and and when my friend

3081
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:49,700
Michael says yeah Marcus the executive

3082
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:51,410
producer Michael story goes oh I love

3083
02:17:56,020 --> 02:17:53,200
that show i watch that show every week

3084
02:17:58,360 --> 02:17:56,030
he said no I don't watch it our TiVo it

3085
02:17:59,530 --> 02:17:58,370
I love that show and then he started and

3086
02:18:01,450 --> 02:17:59,540
you gotta remember this is a guy who's

3087
02:18:03,730 --> 02:18:01,460
written six books is a mergers and

3088
02:18:05,770 --> 02:18:03,740
acquisition professor he start telling

3089
02:18:07,919 --> 02:18:05,780
you know what in 1972 I was driving

3090
02:18:11,709 --> 02:18:07,929
along this highway in Farmingdale

3091
02:18:14,380 --> 02:18:11,719
Pennsylvania and I'm I'm I'm doing the

3092
02:18:19,209 --> 02:18:14,390
speed limit and a woman appears in front

3093
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:19,219
of me and I run her down how no I I

3094
02:18:24,910 --> 02:18:22,610
tried to brake I downshifted I got out

3095
02:18:26,740 --> 02:18:24,920
of my car I looked underneath I looked

3096
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:26,750
behind I looked to the side there's no

3097
02:18:31,570 --> 02:18:30,080
woman it was a ghost I saw a ghost I

3098
02:18:34,980 --> 02:18:31,580
swear to God I saw a ghost

3099
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:34,990
and this is a guy he'd only had one beer

3100
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:37,070
but I wouldn't want to remind you again

3101
02:18:41,530 --> 02:18:38,570
he's a mergers and acquisitions

3102
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:41,540
professor at USC and he's telling me a

3103
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:44,000
ghost story by for example Mitt Romney

3104
02:18:48,430 --> 02:18:47,090
telling a ghost story exactly I mean I

3105
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:48,440
said to him do you have any evidence he

3106
02:18:53,950 --> 02:18:51,410
said no I put one of my researches on it

3107
02:18:56,620 --> 02:18:53,960
because one of my researches is actually

3108
02:19:00,669 --> 02:18:56,630
from that area to see if anyone else has

3109
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:00,679
had a similar experience and if there's

3110
02:19:05,320 --> 02:19:03,200
any evidence of a woman appearing on the

3111
02:19:07,090 --> 02:19:05,330
on the rogue's I want to have this guy

3112
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:07,100
on as a storyteller but I I can't do it

3113
02:19:11,230 --> 02:19:08,690
unless I have the evidence yeah it

3114
02:19:13,500 --> 02:19:11,240
sounds like he acquired a new new kind

3115
02:19:17,041 --> 02:19:13,510
of angle on his belief system exactly

3116
02:19:19,380 --> 02:19:17,051
and it captured all these years

3117
02:19:21,930 --> 02:19:19,390
so those are the types of experiences

3118
02:19:25,140 --> 02:19:21,940
that I think really impress upon people

3119
02:19:28,050 --> 02:19:25,150
that we are living in a reality that you

3120
02:19:30,780 --> 02:19:28,060
know the age of reason in the last 500

3121
02:19:33,210 --> 02:19:30,790
years still has not properly I think in

3122
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:33,220
fully defined although although we're

3123
02:19:38,850 --> 02:19:36,160
working at it it's baby steps three

3124
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:38,860
steps forward two steps back but like do

3125
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:40,450
you think a lot more work has to be done

3126
02:19:44,610 --> 02:19:42,160
we do have to attract the powers of

3127
02:19:46,020 --> 02:19:44,620
diagnostic science in academia to get

3128
02:19:49,020 --> 02:19:46,030
involved without fear of ridicule

3129
02:19:51,841 --> 02:19:49,030
without fear of losing tenure or getting

3130
02:19:55,951 --> 02:19:51,851
you know censured and that sort of thing

3131
02:19:59,041 --> 02:19:55,961
I think the the taboo on these subjects

3132
02:20:04,491 --> 02:19:59,051
needs to be lifted well how far back

3133
02:20:09,871 --> 02:20:04,501
does um the phrase the Holy Ghost oh

3134
02:20:11,810 --> 02:20:09,881
yeah exactly yeah we do it now which

3135
02:20:14,341 --> 02:20:11,820
reminds me one of my favorite jokes is a

3136
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:14,351
little old Jewish man crossing the road

3137
02:20:20,041 --> 02:20:17,650
and from a bus runs him over and as he

3138
02:20:21,661 --> 02:20:20,051
lays dying on a sidewalk a Roman

3139
02:20:23,671 --> 02:20:21,671
Catholic priest runs over to his side

3140
02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:23,681
and takes his hand and system do you

3141
02:20:26,761 --> 02:20:25,240
believe in the Father the Son and the

3142
02:20:29,671 --> 02:20:26,771
Holy Ghost and the little man looks up

3143
02:20:34,741 --> 02:20:29,681
and says but I'm dying and you ask me a

3144
02:20:37,770 --> 02:20:34,751
riddle you're supposed to laugh there

3145
02:20:40,011 --> 02:20:37,780
you go and they say I tell bad jokes

3146
02:20:45,841 --> 02:20:40,021
[Laughter]

3147
02:20:48,451 --> 02:20:45,851
that works that was a real close

3148
02:20:52,411 --> 02:20:48,461
approximation see I'm from Brooklyn I

3149
02:20:58,770 --> 02:20:52,421
know about them things that's close

3150
02:21:00,961 --> 02:20:58,780
that's close now in terms of the

3151
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:00,971
reaction of people when a person says

3152
02:21:05,131 --> 02:21:03,490
these days you know I watch that show my

3153
02:21:07,650 --> 02:21:05,141
ghost stories or any of the other

3154
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:07,660
programs do you think people in general

3155
02:21:12,930 --> 02:21:10,690
look at them and say yeah that's cool I

3156
02:21:14,820 --> 02:21:12,940
remember a ghost story do you think that

3157
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:14,830
people in general which is the direction

3158
02:21:19,621 --> 02:21:17,290
where scientists will eventually come

3159
02:21:21,900 --> 02:21:19,631
that people in general have come to

3160
02:21:23,371 --> 02:21:21,910
accept that there is a paranormal

3161
02:21:24,751 --> 02:21:23,381
universe out there and we need to

3162
02:21:29,011 --> 02:21:24,761
understand more about it you're seeing

3163
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:29,021
it in that direction you know maybe this

3164
02:21:35,550 --> 02:21:32,250
is the time where I should

3165
02:21:38,510 --> 02:21:35,560
illuminate who the audience of Michael's

3166
02:21:40,340 --> 02:21:38,520
story is please do

3167
02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:40,350
[Music]

3168
02:21:51,870 --> 02:21:49,570
61% women average age 42 to 45 sometimes

3169
02:21:55,350 --> 02:21:51,880
I imagine especially when I'm watching

3170
02:21:58,170 --> 02:21:55,360
the show like who and America's watching

3171
02:22:01,860 --> 02:21:58,180
it and what I imagine is as I imagine

3172
02:22:06,030 --> 02:22:01,870
women in their 30s 40s and 50s watching

3173
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:06,040
it and about a third of them have a

3174
02:22:09,389 --> 02:22:07,600
significant other with them who's

3175
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:09,399
watching it just because they want to

3176
02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:15,030
we have Mark Phillips with gene and

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story it's not to learn about those

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things is it the kind of subject that

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women are naturally attracted to as

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opposed to men here's that here's

3294
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another interesting observation for you

3295
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I was gonna say fact but it's probably

3296
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more of an observation so it's based on

3297
02:27:34,330 --> 02:27:29,149
demographics and studies women are more

3298
02:27:38,939 --> 02:27:34,340
apt to believe in the paranormal than

3299
02:27:42,580 --> 02:27:38,949
men men are more apt to believe in these

3300
02:27:46,389 --> 02:27:42,590
existence of UFOs and aliens than women

3301
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:46,399
there is a natural skew between men and

3302
02:27:51,010 --> 02:27:48,409
women on that subject matter so

3303
02:27:52,719 --> 02:27:51,020
therefore if you are a production

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02:27:54,399 --> 02:27:52,729
company or even the network and the

3305
02:27:56,859 --> 02:27:54,409
network says we want to attract women

3306
02:27:59,170 --> 02:27:56,869
we'll go for the ghost stories we want

3307
02:28:02,830 --> 02:27:59,180
to attract men it's going to be a UFO

3308
02:28:05,409 --> 02:28:02,840
Hunters correct is it because UFOs have

3309
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the hardware aspect to them the

3310
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:10,039
technology perhaps yeah yeah now that

3311
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,840
I've never thought about that that's

3312
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:14,319
actually a very good observation yes

3313
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:16,850
well I have also do a tech radio show so

3314
02:28:21,460 --> 02:28:18,890
I'm kind of caught up in both worlds and

3315
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:21,470
Chris does a lot of Technology in terms

3316
02:28:26,139 --> 02:28:24,319
of the kind of work he does so I guess

3317
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:26,149
we're the typical audience of a UFO show

3318
02:28:29,710 --> 02:28:28,010
all right well if we want to get more

3319
02:28:33,719 --> 02:28:29,720
female listeners in the para cast we

3320
02:28:36,609 --> 02:28:33,729
guys stick with them ghosts and

3321
02:28:37,630 --> 02:28:36,619
reincarnated pets that's also a real

3322
02:28:41,320 --> 02:28:37,640
good one with the girls

3323
02:28:44,470 --> 02:28:41,330
oh yeah that that

3324
02:28:47,410 --> 02:28:44,480
as I say we've done a number of a number

3325
02:28:49,511 --> 02:28:47,420
of episodes on them is it the cultural

3326
02:28:52,330 --> 02:28:49,521
conditioning that causes the

3327
02:28:54,430 --> 02:28:52,340
demographics to skew that way you know I

3328
02:29:01,051 --> 02:28:54,440
don't know I think it's more about I

3329
02:29:04,180 --> 02:29:01,061
think that women are more more open to

3330
02:29:07,540 --> 02:29:04,190
things naturally spiritual than men are

3331
02:29:11,110 --> 02:29:07,550
I think that men are probably you know

3332
02:29:12,850 --> 02:29:11,120
colder and and they only want to believe

3333
02:29:14,380 --> 02:29:12,860
what they see in front of their eyes so

3334
02:29:17,470 --> 02:29:14,390
that you find them that most of the

3335
02:29:19,210 --> 02:29:17,480
people that you have on as witnesses or

3336
02:29:25,570 --> 02:29:19,220
narrators and my ghost story tend to be

3337
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:25,580
women no we we try to we try to cast in

3338
02:29:32,261 --> 02:29:28,730
such a way that we always have both men

3339
02:29:35,051 --> 02:29:32,271
and women storytellers that's not to say

3340
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:35,061
we haven't had stories that we're both

3341
02:29:39,340 --> 02:29:36,800
storytellers amenable storytellers or

3342
02:29:42,910 --> 02:29:39,350
women it's interesting because I find

3343
02:29:45,490 --> 02:29:42,920
that most of the most of the ghost

3344
02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:45,500
hunters that I've met are men so there

3345
02:29:49,870 --> 02:29:47,750
are some interesting female ghost

3346
02:29:52,511 --> 02:29:49,880
hunters but most of them are men in

3347
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:52,521
terms of demographics with people who

3348
02:29:57,430 --> 02:29:55,730
actually see ghosts it's pretty much an

3349
02:30:01,060 --> 02:29:57,440
even split yes

3350
02:30:03,970 --> 02:30:01,070
okay what about racial cultural anything

3351
02:30:07,390 --> 02:30:03,980
else that might indicate who might have

3352
02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:07,400
a tendency to see a ghost no I say that

3353
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:16,810
experiencer it's interesting ii at my

3354
02:30:22,780 --> 02:30:20,960
company i mentioned him before he's

3355
02:30:24,970 --> 02:30:22,790
actually one of the exact exactly

3356
02:30:26,320 --> 02:30:24,980
producers of my ghost story and i've

3357
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:26,330
worked with him for 20 years and he's

3358
02:30:30,551 --> 02:30:27,530
Israeli

3359
02:30:34,890 --> 02:30:30,561
and he told me that in Israel there is

3360
02:30:36,880 --> 02:30:34,900
no culture of the paranormal whatsoever

3361
02:30:39,011 --> 02:30:36,890
it's interesting because Michaels

3362
02:30:43,301 --> 02:30:39,021
interesting I didn't realize that yeah

3363
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:43,311
and I a it's also interesting that that

3364
02:30:51,370 --> 02:30:46,880
Michael story is actually shown in in

3365
02:30:52,780 --> 02:30:51,380
Israel but his take on it was because I

3366
02:30:54,280 --> 02:30:52,790
because I was saying to him hey you're

3367
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:54,290
from Israel we try to do an Israeli

3368
02:30:57,700 --> 02:30:55,050
version he says

3369
02:30:59,900 --> 02:30:57,710
people over they don't believe in it

3370
02:31:04,070 --> 02:30:59,910
yeah they've got too many other pressing

3371
02:31:06,590 --> 02:31:04,080
issues yeah their personnel reality is

3372
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:06,600
so up front and center it's hard to

3373
02:31:11,630 --> 02:31:09,930
think about spiritually there is a there

3374
02:31:15,250 --> 02:31:11,640
is a decrease in interest in these

3375
02:31:19,730 --> 02:31:15,260
subjects during times of conflict war

3376
02:31:22,730 --> 02:31:19,740
civil strife more pressing matters in

3377
02:31:24,830 --> 02:31:22,740
people's lives to dampen down interest

3378
02:31:26,450 --> 02:31:24,840
in the paranormal and it's only when we

3379
02:31:29,540 --> 02:31:26,460
start coming out of those periods of

3380
02:31:33,139 --> 02:31:29,550
conflict that then we we coincidentally

3381
02:31:35,389 --> 02:31:33,149
see waves of UFOs begin to increase and

3382
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:35,399
and I think we generally there's more of

3383
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:38,399
an interest and the unknown one things

3384
02:31:43,099 --> 02:31:41,090
get a little less dicey in the world

3385
02:31:45,530 --> 02:31:43,109
that's just something that I've kind of

3386
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:45,540
noticed in over the years of my research

3387
02:31:51,790 --> 02:31:48,540
big UFO ways tend to occur after we've

3388
02:31:54,679 --> 02:31:51,800
been in conflict overseas for instance

3389
02:31:56,990 --> 02:31:54,689
so now that we have the end of the Iraqi

3390
02:31:59,480 --> 02:31:57,000
war the winding down of the Afghanistan

3391
02:32:01,040 --> 02:31:59,490
war and maybe a slight hope that we'll

3392
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:01,050
get things together with Iran maybe

3393
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:03,330
we'll have a big UFO flap as a matter of

3394
02:32:07,370 --> 02:32:05,760
fact MUFON the mutual UFO network was

3395
02:32:08,719 --> 02:32:07,380
reporting the same thing that's an

3396
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,729
interesting thing to ask since you're

3397
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:11,040
just another guy there mark do you

3398
02:32:18,740 --> 02:32:14,850
personally find an interest in UFOs yeah

3399
02:32:22,400 --> 02:32:18,750
I do I actually tried to develop a show

3400
02:32:25,070 --> 02:32:22,410
called my UFO story but I couldn't find

3401
02:32:27,440 --> 02:32:25,080
much evidence now there's a show that I

3402
02:32:30,349 --> 02:32:27,450
did a few years ago called lie detector

3403
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:30,359
it's a very cool show where we would

3404
02:32:36,050 --> 02:32:34,170
take people who had a story to tell and

3405
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:36,060
people didn't believe him and we'd slap

3406
02:32:40,670 --> 02:32:38,880
him on a world-class polygraph test for

3407
02:32:44,750 --> 02:32:40,680
instance we put Paula Jones on the oh

3408
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:44,760
yeah and had absolutely proved that Bill

3409
02:32:54,260 --> 02:32:47,850
Clinton dropped his doors and asked her

3410
02:32:59,920 --> 02:32:54,270
for oral sex and one of the stories was

3411
02:33:06,020 --> 02:32:59,930
of a doctor a settees actually a

3412
02:33:07,660 --> 02:33:06,030
scientist who actually who claimed that

3413
02:33:14,780 --> 02:33:07,670
he saw

3414
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:14,790
evidence that the Pentagon has covered

3415
02:33:24,770 --> 02:33:22,170
up UFO several UFO sightings and we put

3416
02:33:27,370 --> 02:33:24,780
him on the polygraph on the claim that

3417
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:27,380
he has seen this evidence and he passed

3418
02:33:34,250 --> 02:33:30,960
then again we had a woman from Canada

3419
02:33:37,341 --> 02:33:34,260
who has a paranormal radio program up in

3420
02:33:42,140 --> 02:33:37,351
Canada who came on the show and claimed

3421
02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:42,150
that she was her car broke down when she

3422
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:43,650
did in California on the Pacific Coast

3423
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,370
Highway and an alien ship land beside

3424
02:33:51,801 --> 02:33:49,280
her and helped her get a car going and

3425
02:33:53,330 --> 02:33:51,811
she had talked about this story for

3426
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:53,340
years and years and years and we put her

3427
02:33:57,290 --> 02:33:54,960
on the lie detector and she flunked with

3428
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:57,300
elf flying colors I'll tell you what we

3429
02:34:02,091 --> 02:33:59,040
had an episode last week in the power

3430
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:02,101
cast guy named Robert vended and Brooke

3431
02:34:07,610 --> 02:34:05,610
from the Netherlands and I would have

3432
02:34:11,540 --> 02:34:07,620
loved to put that show on a voice-stress

3433
02:34:13,011 --> 02:34:11,550
analyzer and see what was going on yeah

3434
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:13,021
but voice-stress analyzers don't work

3435
02:34:19,940 --> 02:34:17,280
they don't know yeah fifty-fifty okay

3436
02:34:23,990 --> 02:34:19,950
but the lie detector is pretty reliable

3437
02:34:26,330 --> 02:34:24,000
a good polygraph with a real good

3438
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:26,340
polygraph operator you can get 99.9

3439
02:34:29,960 --> 02:34:27,690
percent but you gotta have the right guy

3440
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,970
and they to the questions need to be

3441
02:34:33,290 --> 02:34:30,960
trained properly

3442
02:34:35,060 --> 02:34:33,300
it's where art and science meet it's an

3443
02:34:36,980 --> 02:34:35,070
amazing thing I love polygons I'm

3444
02:34:39,261 --> 02:34:36,990
actually trying to redo lie-detector I

3445
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:39,271
love that show is it possible for

3446
02:34:47,210 --> 02:34:42,570
somebody who really knows the knack to

3447
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:47,220
beat the test no no you used to be able

3448
02:34:58,700 --> 02:34:52,050
to how graphic can I get here you used

3449
02:35:01,460 --> 02:34:58,710
to be able to manipulate a polygraph to

3450
02:35:07,070 --> 02:35:01,470
give you a false positive therefore you

3451
02:35:09,940 --> 02:35:07,080
know and not a not a real decision you

3452
02:35:16,380 --> 02:35:09,950
know yes or no he's lying by

3453
02:35:26,320 --> 02:35:21,430
you can't do that anymore because they

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have a special pillow that and it will

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detect if you're trying to do that we

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have something to detect now Mark

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Phillips tell our listeners where they

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can find more the things that you're

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doing well one of the things I'd like to

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say one more time if you don't mind is

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if anybody out there has a story that

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they want to submit to us they can reach

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us at this email address my ghost story

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at M PPT dot TV and that's M is in mark

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P is and Peter P as in Peter T is and

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Tom's dot T is and Tom G as in Victor

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and I'll tell you what we'll do here

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with listeners once I get things set up

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when they click on your name on our site

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it will magically open an email what

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they can write to you if they want oh

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well

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technology is technology at its finest

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we'll even block the spam if we can't

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we'll try to encrypt it Chris O'Brien

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our strange planets coming close to a

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conclusion right now we're strange plant

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calm and the Mark Phillips thank you so

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much for joining us this week on the

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power cast I appreciate it it was fun

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talking to you guys and today in touch

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if I can ever do anything for you let me

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the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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